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02-22-2010 , 05:51 PM
Hand 1

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with 9 9
1 fold, MP raises, Hero calls, BTN 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP calls, Hero caps!, BTN calls, BB calls, MP calls

Tried to make a big pot after I saw people calling.

Flop: (16.4 SB) K 5 4 (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, BB raises, MP calls, Hero calls, BTN 3-bets, BB calls, MP calls, Hero calls
Pot to big to fold ( i think)

Turn: (14.2 BB) J (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, BB folds, MP calls, Hero calls
Same

River: (17.2 BB) 4 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, MP folds, Hero calls
(Lost as of here, what is the play?)
Hand 2

Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, SB caps!, UTG calls, Hero calls
Building pot

Flop: (13 SB) T 8 7 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero caps!, SB calls
Have to think I have best hand now.

Turn: (11 BB) K (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls
Maybe I dont have the best hand?

River: (17 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

How do you play this?


Thanks for your help guys.
02-22-2010 , 06:04 PM
Hand 1: 3-bet preflop and bet out. As played, I fold on the flop when it's two back to me.
Hand 2: raise preflop.

Any reads on the players involved?
02-22-2010 , 06:55 PM
Sorry forgot to add stats.

Hand 1:

BTN: 20/12 over 60 hands
SB: 51/26 over 53 hands
BB: 19/9 over 48 hands

Hand 2:

SB: 24/18 over 405 hands
BB: 27/20 over 64 hands
UTG: 55/8 86 hands
MP: 19/15 75 hands
CO: 25/12 177 hands
02-22-2010 , 07:06 PM
these hands are both butchered so badly, you need to not post more than 1 hand at a time.


more than that, you should only post 1 street at a time, since each street is worse than the proceeding street.

hand 1, a blind dog stepping on the mouse probably could have taken a better line than you


3bet PF, don't lolcap PF

fold the flop, fold the turn, and fold the river


other than that, it was great
02-22-2010 , 07:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
these hands are both butchered so badly, you need to not post more than 1 hand at a time.


more than that, you should only post 1 street at a time, since each street is worse than the proceeding street.

hand 1, a blind dog stepping on the mouse probably could have taken a better line than you


3bet PF, don't lolcap PF

fold the flop, fold the turn, and fold the river


other than that, it was great
Capping PF gave the pot 3 bets for the price of one? How many people would I need for capping to be profitable? 5-6 more? Do I never want to cap PF with that hand?
02-22-2010 , 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kmaldona
Capping PF gave the pot 3 bets for the price of one? How many people would I need for capping to be profitable? 5-6 more? Do I never want to cap PF with that hand?

just 3bet PF the first time.


basically, calling PF raises, and then capping when it gets back to you is what fish do, it's not what winning players do, because if your hand is good enough to cap at the end, it's good enough to 3bet when it's your turn.

and you should 3bet PF
02-22-2010 , 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
just 3bet PF the first time.


basically, calling PF raises, and then capping when it gets back to you is what fish do, it's not what winning players do, because if your hand is good enough to cap at the end, it's good enough to 3bet when it's your turn.

and you should 3bet PF
Ya I am barely break even player around .4BB/100 over 25,000 hands (not counting rakeback).

I would be around 1-1.5BB/100 but I tried to work off a bonus really fast by playing 16 tables at a time and lost a little bit but worked off the bonus. I learned not to do that anymore.

I am having trouble knowing when to bet/raise PP or just to call. How many players need to limp before me to raise PF?

Also I usually dont bet anything below 99, is this just bad play?

Thanks

Last edited by kmaldona; 02-22-2010 at 08:35 PM.
02-22-2010 , 08:57 PM
No offensive but you hands and posts are a mess. Hip recommended to no post more than 1 hand at a time and I'm going to recommend keeping you follow up posts shorter with fewer questions will also give better results. People are more than happy to walk you through hands and give you all the help you need but stuff tends to get lost in walls of text. You will get much much better advice if you make 3 follow up posts than cramming them in to one wall.

Hand 1 hip is right, every street is bad. I think the pf cap is fine but that's only after you screwed it up by not just 3 betting. I don't hate the flop peel so much sine the pot is so big you probably getting close to the right odds to spike your 2 outter. Tuen and river are turbo mucks. Preflop you should either 3 bet or fold any pocket pairs
02-22-2010 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
No offensive but you hands and posts are a mess. Hip recommended to no post more than 1 hand at a time and I'm going to recommend keeping you follow up posts shorter with fewer questions will also give better results. People are more than happy to walk you through hands and give you all the help you need but stuff tends to get lost in walls of text. You will get much much better advice if you make 3 follow up posts than cramming them in to one wall.

Hand 1 hip is right, every street is bad. I think the pf cap is fine but that's only after you screwed it up by not just 3 betting. I don't hate the flop peel so much sine the pot is so big you probably getting close to the right odds to spike your 2 outter. Tuen and river are turbo mucks. Preflop you should either 3 bet or fold any pocket pairs
What about limping with pocket pairs? Also when should I have slowed down on the second hand?

Sry about the mess.
02-22-2010 , 09:06 PM
Open limping or over limping? Open limping never, over limping with 2's - 6's is probably fine almost always if the you're not in late position . Open limp never.

There's no need to be sorry, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction to get the most help. We all have ADD and won't read any more in a post once we've aborbed enough information to talk about. If you ask lots in one post either stuff just gets ignored or you get one sentence responses to everything. If you keep them short and sweet people will answer with a ton of stuff and then you can move on the next question. Example, you're first hand needed so much help I didn't even look at the second
02-22-2010 , 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Open limping or over limping? Open limping never, over limping with 2's - 6's is probably fine almost always if the you're not in late position
What is over limping? Is it limping with other limpers?

Usually I limp 22-88 if I have 1 or 0 limpers before me and raise if there is more or 99+
02-22-2010 , 09:17 PM
Over- limping is when other people have limped in before you. Over limping any pp is always fine. You shoul never ever be open limping pair. You should probably be open raising 66+ any position and open raising any pp from the co and btn
02-22-2010 , 09:22 PM
Hand 2 preflop is awful. Just raise the first time around an definately don't 3 bet the second time. Post flop I'd play the same
02-22-2010 , 09:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Over- limping is when other people have limped in before you. Over limping any pp is always fine. You shoul never ever be open limping pair. You should probably be open raising 66+ any position and open raising any pp from the co and btn
Wow did not know I should be open raising with 22 on the CO i usually just limp.

So UTG raise with 66 would be fine?
02-22-2010 , 09:27 PM
I would raise 66 utg without even thinking about. You should be raising 77 without thinking about. Decide what you should with 66 based on how often you think you're going to get 3 bet pf. If the chance is big fold if not raise
02-22-2010 , 09:29 PM
Moral of the story though is you should never never open limp. Just punch yourself in the groin everytime you think about it
02-22-2010 , 09:32 PM
So never open limp with any hand from any position? I will try this my next couple sessions and see how I do.

Thanks for the help.
02-22-2010 , 09:34 PM
Never open limp. Ever. Ever ever. With any hand

      
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