Only 20 hands on each villain, both seem passive but BTN has spazzed out once with a bottom pair in a blind war. Both players are up 20-30 bets as I'm running horribly.


Poker Stars $15/$30 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.667 SB) Hero is SB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, BTN calls

Flop: (9 SB) 2 8 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN calls

Turn: (6 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN raises, Hero calls, BB calls

River: (12 BB) A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, BTN calls, Hero ?

I 3b the turn. The only thing you might be scared of is like 56 or maybe a set? If he caps you can probably fold or check/call down.

I instacall river. Pot's too big.

56, 78, 22-44-88-77 all in button's range. That's quite a few combos. Also, what would he play like this that we beat? Slowplays A8 or 99-QQ 3way?? I don't think so.
River is a fold for me after BB donks it into 2 ppl and BTN snapcalls with myself left to act.

I 3-bet the turn also.

BTN's read doesn't exactly make him seem like a great player, so I wouldn't put it past him to slowplay A8 or an overpair in that manner. We could also be looking at 33/55/66 in addition to the sets. We're also gaining value from BB every time we put a raise in, since we almost certainly have him beat at this point.

River really sucks w/ BB donking out. It's pretty close, imo. BTN calling seems to indicate that he doesn't have a hand that beats a pair of aces, so the question is whether BB is capable of making a donk bluff one in 13 times. Without a read I'm calling and making a note.

I admire your optimism. You remind me the end of the movie Brian's life when the 3 guys crucified and hanging from the cross are singing "always look at the bright side of life" Also, the fact that he spazzed in a blind war doesn't say much about him at all. The read that he looks passive makes me less inclined to 3bet too.

i'd probably fold and feel super-dirty about it

Yeah, all I'm really trying to say is I see this all the time where someone shuts down with KK just because someone raised. It doesn't always mean the nuts. Like VU said, villain isn't a great player. If villain sucked out he sucked out, but I'm not seeing monsters under the bed with an overpair against a bad player.

Villain could easily have top pair here that he decided to wait till the turn. I don't play scared of sets. He might have spiked top two, but we still have a bunch of outs on the river.

The more I think about it, the more that river sucks, especially with that other villain waking up. I still call because the pot's big, but I expect to lose a lot of the time.

we have 20 hands on villain... over which all we have is he was aggro in a blind battle and seems passive for 20 hands.. based on this info we can conclude he is capable of slowplaying a weak top pair until the turn?

Based on op's info. we can't conclude much of anything. You downplay the possibility of villain waiting to the turn to raise top pair good kicker, but do not question 56 and 78 combos as being part of villains stealing range. Really, who knows? We do however have a small equity advantage if he raises his straights, sets, 87, some 8x, and big PP's on the turn. Since it's pretty hard to make accurate assumptions about the things we really need to know here(stealing range and postflop tendencies), as a default it seems okay to be 3betting our nice hand here on the turn while probably getting the pot padded by the BB.

Fold the river and quickly switch out to a different table so you don't see that you would have actually won

seems quite close on the turn imo... anyways if i just called i would definitely call the river.

What you didn't talk about was the BB, what is he calling 3 bets with and his overcall with that A doesn;t look good.