2/4 Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
Hero ($34.25)
UTG+1 ($280.57)
CO ($68.60)
BTN ($41.00)
SB ($189.21)
BB ($32.75)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is UTG J J
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero 4-bets, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: 9 2 7 (13.5 SB, 4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, CO raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, CO 4-bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls
This flop play was kind of an ugly for me. I decided not to raise flop and wait for a turn to understand where I stand. But it seems that the folding is not an option anyway because the can be capping FD or A9 or something else.

Turn: 9 (13.2 BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero folds
Now I am pretty certain I am beaten, and fold seems OK.

Thank you in advance for your comments!

Please, please raise the flop. Any overcard that you can get to fold is good for you.

As played easy fold on the turn.

Rebuy. $34 is not enough for this limit.

+1, sitting at a table with 8-9BB is very fishy imo.
I can't see an excuse not to raise this flop and let AJ+, KQ peel cheap. Or at least cap for value when it's already 3bet.

neither reason is there, but the reason not to raise would be if SB were any good. if i'm SB you should peel JJ for BD draws because your hand is trash. the reason to cap for value would be if SB were just a flat out maniac, in which case you'd just pop flop.

Not really.

SB's line is really strong, like 99+ when he leads this flop after Hero capped. For raising to be correct he needs to have a wider range. If we assumed he's not a maniac then the hands we add to his range are AK/AQ/KQ/etc.... So, if we are ahead of the SB then it's probably because he has overcards. Therefore, we want the other opponents to overcall with their overcard(s) because they supplement our equity. By calling we sometimes end up with the bronze medal at showdown. By raising, we upgrade to the silver medal those same times, but poker rooms only hands out money to the gold medal winner.

I will say that the 2-flush (and our lack of a BDFD) does complicate things a little more and might make a flop raise close to correct.

if we are ahead of SB's AK or AQ then we'd love to fold out a KQ no? Would having to to dodge 3 less outs be nice?

Sure, but that won't be the case very often. Your gain will never be enough to offset the dead money you get from Ax overcalling.

thats a tough one. I guess I raise for value. This might not knock out any better hands but people will pay to draw to their overs and FDs.

but why capping preflop? capping does not knock out anyone on the flop. it will just leave you and the 3-bettor sandwichted between the coldcaller.
calling preflop and raising on the flop will leave the pot rather small and Co cant draw (or should not) to overs or FD

just for value, isn't it right?

indeed. but you are in a relative bad position to protect your hand because the pot is so big allready postflop. you and the aggressive SB sandwitch both other players.
any A, K or Q will give you a hard time postflop. just call preflop leaves the pot relativly small and more likely to raise a bet by the SB to knock out the coldcaller.

Thank you, I got your point.

timoK i think you are very very very wrong in that advice.

If you are afraid of playing whit your JJ´s posflop, just play it for set value then.

I´m capping 99+ in that spot whitout even looken back. And if i see a very bad board i would fold whit no problems at all.

If you dont capp this multyway you are just burning money in the long run. Probably not a huge leak by you, if this spots dosent apear very often in your games.

i know that our equity drops when facing 4 oponents, we are for sure win less pots. But see the "big picture" we will more money. We will win Huge pots when your oponents dont hit his draws.


but i think you really should give some toughts on that advice. this is my advice

If I understood him correctly, the main reason for not to raise is not to keep the pot small (it will be only 4sb smaller, which isn't change anything on the flop), but to keep the "right aggressor", to better protect my hand on a good flop.
timoK, am I right?

I've seen people call A9 in this spot, as well as FDs + overs, but on turn I think you can definitely let it go. preflop i cap if i am IP but utg i'm probably more inclined to just call

I would also cap preflop. Who knows CO might fold facing 2 and if not we are more likely to get a freecard on the flop if we cap. Against random 2/4 players i raise flop.