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Originally Posted by Oink
Up through all the stakes I played you will find TAGs and LAGTAGs who will overplay sets or AsKx or AxKs in this spot.
Sure. I've seen maniacs obviously do it, fish and donkeys who don't know how to properly value their hands in relation to the board and action do it, LagTags do it, and occassionally solid Tags do it. But not too much solid Tags.
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Originally Posted by Oink
And to get the information that this particular TAG or LAGTAG WONT do that is very difficult to obtain with enough certainty to fold getting those odds.
Well I more than agree with you on that. It's impossible from the OP's description, "Villain is TAG" to know anything about the nuances of how he plays. So it seems most people want to error on the side of caution, and not risk fold the best hand. I'm just pretty sure that a three bet on a big street on a flush board is the nuts more than say 12:1 on average. Most seem to disagree. Oddly to me they disagree so strongly. I have lost so much money calling three bets on big streets with less than the nuts that I really wonder what games these people are playing in.
Now remember that 12:1 I mention doesn't count donkeys, aggrotards, lagrotards, goofballs, maniacs, players on tilt, Bottom pair flop donkers into two or three players, players that just took a bad beat, players going all in or close to it, and other assorted overaggressive characters. If your opponent is one of those types, by all means I would recommend a call down. Against a lot of people who post on this forum, I would recommend a call down.
That brings us to how Hero plays and how the people making recommendations to call down play. If they play in a highly aggressive style, then they are going to get played back at a lot harder than people will generally play back at me after they get to know my style. They learn that when I 3Bet the turn, I have the nuts or something very strong and they can just call down so I can show it to them. But if they get to the point where they become able to lay down hands, then I start robbing them. And if they come over the top of me at that point, I know they are rarely bluffing.