80/21/40 ~140 hands
My notes on villain:
"coldcalls preF a lot
peels Flop w/ Ace-hi
bluff 3bets as made flush when 3rd flush card hit Turn
bluff-donks when board pairs
will check on Riv w/ JJ on xxxx
donks w/ bottom pair in 3 way pot
he can call down w/ A-hi 3 way
call down him light
vbet him"


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop: (5 SB) A 5 T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (3.5 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ?

I think a good line is to call Turn, evaluate the river. On river, I will call if I a split pair, and raise if I hit my straight. Correct line?

usually i would fold turn but here with the read u have he can check river might tend to calll one more.

but pot is small so letting this one go is fine imo

I like your line. I think you could even justify raising against this opponent if you hit a pair on the river.

If the pot was hu, you are probably calling down against this guy. But given the 3rd player in the pot, and the fact you were UTG it makes it tough.

It might be a good spot for call, call, fold. Although this line makes me sick vs a player this spewy...

It's a tough decision, Good hand post

Pg - pot is hu

I think this is a call. 4-10 outs when behind and you're already ahead quite often.

Edit to add on river I'm calling down ui and probably raising a k,q

I raise flop and check behind turn UI (usually he will not 3-ball flop, habitual donk bettors don't donk/3 bet often). Paying less to see the river

Brilliant! Party like it's 2005. Level?

that's certainly true - they tend to donk/call flop, then blind donk turn.

Oh, hu it's a call down.

op, i probably take the same line as u on flop and turn.

i'm undecided abt river if i don't improve. his stats lead me to believe he's erratic and we're still ahead a ton of the time, but your notes seem to say that he always has a pair when he donks, however weak the pair may be.

guess i try to hit my likely 10 outs, and give up ui vs him.

I think you have to discount the K and Q outs a little, cos he might have Ace split pair.

I fold the turn. Pot is small and your pair outs are not clean.

What are we hoping that Villain has?

Your notes show that he bluffs when unexpected scare cards hit (Flush, trips, etc).
But we don't seem to have any evidence he bluffs with total air.
We also show he bets into the preflop raiser when he hits any piece.
That seems a lot more likely in this case.
So I would say there is a good chance we are behind right now.

The way to beat these types of over-aggressive players is to simply take their money when we have a hand.
The way these players beat us is when we pay them off when we do not have a hand.

In this case, we only have a gut shot.
Maybe we have pair outs.
Maybe we don't.
But right now, we have nothing.

Let's wait until we have a decent hand to make this player pay.
Fold the turn.

--CM

qft

What if the flop was TT5, turn 9

are you just folding the turn vs this guy on that board?

Against an unknown opponent, I would likely fold my K high after being told twice that I am behind.

However, if my read states that an opponent makes these types of funky bets with less than the T, then I peel the Turn with up to 10 outs.

And if my read states that he will bluff with nothing on a paired board, then since I am calling the turn, I likely call one more bet on the river as well to reach showdown.
And then I adjust my notes based on the outcome so that I have a clearer plan the next time we take this dance.


Two main differences between the OP's & your scenario.
- The board in your scene represents a specific situation in which we know Villain likes to bluff.
- The lack of the Ace on board makes me more confident that my pair outs are live.

Note: Calling down bluffers with K high is not the best way to make money in this game. So I try to be very selective in the times I am going to do it.


--cm

i agree with you, I wasn't posing the TTx board as an analogy to the OP's spot, I was trying to determine if you were always folding KQ here, or just on this board.


fwiw, I think folding the turn is the right play unless you had a read this guy would donk bet complete air, then I'm at least seeing the river.