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Firing 3-barrels: a couple of hands from last night's session Firing 3-barrels: a couple of hands from last night's session

12-09-2008 , 12:31 PM
CO has only been at the table for around 10 hands but appears to open limp a bit and play weak after the flop. Nothing notable on BB.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 A
CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) J 5 K (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls

River: (6.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets

Hand 2:

BB is an okay player. Tends to open limp a bit too much preflop. Peels flop too often and folds UI.

UTG just came to the tables and checks his small blind, meaning he could have any two cards.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG posts a big blind (1 SB)

Pre Flop: (2.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 9 A
UTG checks, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 7 4 T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls

River: (6.75 BB) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets

Hand 3:

Villain is pretty bad. Tends to slowplay his monsters but has done stupid things like folding to a 1/4 SB getting over 30:1 lol


Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A 8
2 folds, Hero raises, BTN calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) T T 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

River: (5.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets

I think this hand is a bit more different. Are my bets here more for value or are they acting as a bluff?

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 12-09-2008 at 12:58 PM.
12-09-2008 , 01:12 PM
Hand 4:

Villain has been whining and bitching a lot about bad beats and donkeys etc etc. Tends to play passive before the flop. He appears to be on tilt as indicated by a few dumb bluffs against bad players and his comments about them.

Should I have fired a third barrel here? I was expecting him to come up with a pocket pair, or middle/top pair on the flop (maybe even AQ) when he was calling down. Not sure if c/f was a great move.


Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with T Q
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) J 8 K (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

River: (5.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero folds
12-09-2008 , 01:41 PM
hand 1, I give up UI after getting called twice on the flop with a King and a Jack in it

hand 2, check turn and give up UI after the 8h turns

hand 3 is ok imo, your bet is for value. call a raise. c/c is ok too imo since this guy is probably dumb

hand 4 I would cry-bet the river. mostly as a blocker against worse missed draws or a chop, but maybe he gives up a ****ty Ace as well, so I say go for it. c/f is close as well, so I think your play is pretty much fine here.
12-09-2008 , 01:45 PM
Hand 1: I check the turn. When 2 players call that flop I assume I'm drawing and I don't want to get check raised in that spot. I might call the river depending on the card and action.

Hand 2: I check the river. You don't have an equity edge against a random hand if you remove the top 5%. I think the turn bet is fine though since your draw is so strong and you could have the best hand.

Hand 3: I play that one the same.

Hand 4: I play it the same.

Edit: I was thinking about the blocker bet on the river in hand 4 as well like Tryptamean said. It's probably close.
12-10-2008 , 07:53 AM
Could you guys explain what do you mean by "blocker bet" ? I am not familiar with this term. Thanks !
12-10-2008 , 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armor32
Could you guys explain what do you mean by "blocker bet" ? I am not familiar with this term. Thanks !
in no limit a blocker bet is a smallish bet with a weak made hand that you really want to show down, but really dont want to call a large value bet from the villain on the end.

in limit id never heard the term before, but my impression is that by betting here we avoid getting bluffed by worse hands as they fold.... is that right?
12-10-2008 , 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid_Quik
in no limit a blocker bet is a smallish bet with a weak made hand that you really want to show down, but really dont want to call a large value bet from the villain on the end.

in limit id never heard the term before, but my impression is that by betting here we avoid getting bluffed by worse hands as they fold.... is that right?
It's just like Tryptamean said, he has some draws and A high. If we check, he can bet his draws and check behind his A high. In both cases we end up losing. If we bet, he probably folds all of his draws and his A high sometimes. It's a spot where you aren't going to get called by a worse hand, but you bet anyway because you think you have the best hand often enough and can't really catch a bluff. This all depends on his range though and whether you think he can fold A high there. I don't think A high is a large portion of his range so check/folding is probably fine.
12-10-2008 , 02:59 PM
Well, first hand I would give it up after getting called on the turn.

as for the rest i have a word of wisdome for you, TIGHTEN the hell up. This is limit, you can't go around raisin with Ace-S**t offsuit. If you don't hit the flop with your speculative hands like Ax suited or other SC like QT I would give it up after the flop. you are wasting way too many big bets on stone cold bluffs. Again, this is not NL, in limit tight is right. You want to be getting in with the best of hands, and by that I mean :

77-AA
AK-AQ

other than that you play the hand to hit a monster.
so if you hit A59 flop with A6s it doesn't mean much if you face any resistance and have no draws.
12-10-2008 , 03:02 PM
I see now it's shorthanded. that makes sense then. But still, give up if you have nothing and they are calling you.

Last edited by desperad0oo7; 12-10-2008 at 03:10 PM.
12-10-2008 , 03:41 PM
The reason I'd pull up on hand 1 is that if the guy missed a broadway draw, he's not calling. If he's calling down with a 5 or low pockets, he's probably not giving up after hanging tough that long.

I lack the ability to comment on more than one hand at once.
12-10-2008 , 11:17 PM
One of the many leaks in my game is that I don't 3-barrel enough and I look for situations where that might be good. Apparently, these situations were not best. What scenarios are good for 3-barreling?

Anyways: I forced folds in hands 1-3 and villain mucked without saying what he had in 4.
12-11-2008 , 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
One of the many leaks in my game is that I don't 3-barrel enough and I look for situations where that might be good. Apparently, these situations were not best. What scenarios are good for 3-barreling?

Anyways: I forced folds in hands 1-3 and villain mucked without saying what he had in 4.

[ ] opponents folded pairs in hands 1 and 2
12-11-2008 , 04:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

You want to be getting in with the best of hands, and by that I mean :

77-AA
AK-AQ

other than that you play the hand to hit a monster.
so if you hit A59 flop with A6s it doesn't mean much if you face any resistance and have no draws.
What ?? Are you serious ? It's shorthanded limit...
12-11-2008 , 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
[ ] opponents folded pairs in hands 1 and 2
Exactly. These river bets are really bad. They would be okay if your hand has no SD value. But A-hi beats 99% of the hands they'll fold. The turn bets are okay b/c the pot is big and you have big draws. Making them fold a better hands (or even a bunch of outs) is really good for you, being called by a better hand is only mildly bad.

Hand 3: If you don't know whether you're river bet is for value or a bluff, it's usually a bad bet. There is no way villain ever folds a better hand. Although I wouldn't be surprised if you were called by 66 b/c villain is bad and doesn't know his hand is counterfeited. Given your read that "he likes to slowplay" the river value bet is a little thin, but not bad. And what it may lack in $EV it makes up for in lolEV.

Hand 4: Weird river spot. There are a lot of busted draws out there, but Q-hi beats most of them. Given that, I don't like the c/f. Villain shoudn't have a K and probably won't value bet a pair worse than Jacks??? (I really have no idea about this, he might bet with A-hi b/c he doesn't know what's going on).

What I'm trying to say is that there's a good chance his betting range consists of very few value bets and a ton of bluffs. The problem is that some of his "bluffs" have you beat. So just bet, so he doesn't reverse level you.

      
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