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09-03-2007 , 04:54 AM

Gurravasa

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villain is 46/17/1.4 over just 60hands. So far I've seen him make some very thin valuebets, he has c-betted flop and then c/r turn when he flopped a boat, he has also donked turn when he hit an ace.

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 9

UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9

(4SB, 4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: T

(5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: 2

(8BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Button folds, Hero raise or call?

09-03-2007 , 04:57 AM

aceskay

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 888

i'm just calling, but thats bc i often play like a scared little girl

09-03-2007 , 05:17 AM

Oink

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I would consider c/r'ing the river hoping to trap. But that might be wrong.

I think its a 3-bet. You will see straights and overplayed 2 pair hands.

09-03-2007 , 07:17 AM

rzk

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,264

i'd 3-bet flop for value since i have a gazillion outs.
as for the rest, see oink's post.

09-03-2007 , 07:33 AM

Gurravasa

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Quote:

I would consider c/r'ing the river hoping to trap. But that might be wrong.

I think its a 3-bet. You will see straights and overplayed 2 pair hands.

I think that given my read, I should have gone for the c/r. Agree with 3-bet.

BTW: I don't think we have gazillions of outs, 3:s are easaly conterifeited, nines are mostly good but not always and our possible flush is only 9-high. Don't think we have equity to jag this flop.

09-03-2007 , 07:40 AM

rzk

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10 or more outs against two opponents gives us an equity advantage. in this case we surely have more than 10.

09-03-2007 , 07:46 AM

Oink

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Its close regarding jamming the flop.

I doubt its a huge eq edge hero is pushing and I doubt its a big mistake to jam.

09-03-2007 , 10:32 AM

werero

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I think you have the best hand on the river a lot so I would put in more bets. One reason for it is that i don't think UTG raises with a FD on the flop often, forcing button out of the pot. As Oink said, overplayed straights and 2-pair are probably more likely

09-03-2007 , 10:36 AM

HoneyBadger

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As you're first to act I don't mind 3 betting the flop. It won't do much to your implied odds, as you'll probably have to bet out anyway if you hit the flush. In position I'd be less inclined to jam it on the flop because we kill our own implied odds for a potential turn raise.

I'd 3-bet the river, but I'm known to spew rivers with good second-best hands.

09-03-2007 , 10:41 AM

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bigmac366

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3-bet and fold to a cap is probably whats technically right, but i'm not folding. so its probably best to just call.

wtf, i 3-bet this flop every time. your 3-handed and your equity has to be about 45%.

09-03-2007 , 11:33 AM

#11

yourface

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flop is close. we def have some kind of eq edge to push here, but we also have good relative position to trap the field if we hit

I think c/r river is best, hoping to trap. as played I would 3bet and puke in my mouth if capped. I think that overplayed straights/sets/2pairs are much more likely than a bigger flush given villains play

09-03-2007 , 12:17 PM

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Gurravasa

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Against this particular player I think I should try to c/r river since I've seen him betting for value with marginal holdings. It's unlikely that he has a flush and as played I think 3-bet is correct. In the actual hand he had Q8.

09-03-2007 , 07:53 PM

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milesdyson

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i'd call river. it is hard to not put him on a small range here. like JT or J8 of spades or something that should not have bet turn, like a naked ace high flush draw.

09-03-2007 , 08:34 PM

#14

jstill

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I think bet 3betting the river is a spew... id probably cr the river as played but I dont think its a huge difference in EV between the 2 lines when its 3 ways but I could be wrong... HU id always cr.

i prefer not 3betting the flop personally not sure whats best just my opinion without much behind it

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