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01-04-2010 , 07:45 PM
24/27/61 ATS45 270hands

I've been trying to figure out good spot to call down with A-hi. Honestly, I don't really know what I am doing so any pointer is appreciated. I just picked aggro opp with wide range of steal hand.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 2 A
1 fold, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 7 7 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

River: (5.25 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls
01-04-2010 , 07:51 PM
Yep, looks like a good spot for it to me.
01-04-2010 , 07:52 PM
I would say this is one of the best spots to do it...

NH sir
01-04-2010 , 08:34 PM
I agree with the other guys. I am hating the river King though. Many players will open raise any Kx OTB, I do a majority of the time. But if you called the turn you are probably calling the river.
01-04-2010 , 08:43 PM
Even though a lot of aspects in this hand point to a calldown: He might know that turn and river are blanks for a floppeeling range of 98, gutters like J9 , overs and split overs which do not include a K; He also knows that the K is a good card to bet again; the board is paired and relatively dry, I would still be very cautious with these calldowns.

1. There is a limited number of people on this level who actually do 3barrel and if someone does it is defenitely noteworthy.
2. The K is a good bluffcard but it actually is also a big part of the part of his range that we where beating on the turn.
3. When we know he is aggro he propably is not only aggro with his bluffs but also with his vbets. So his range is not that polarized on the River. He might vbet 88,99 (55 and 66 is also basically the same hand), obviously Ts and Kings maybe a random 4 and better Aces (!).
01-05-2010 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Eskiboy
Even though a lot of aspects in this hand point to a calldown: He might know that turn and river are blanks for a floppeeling range of 98, gutters like J9 , overs and split overs which do not include a K; He also knows that the K is a good card to bet again; the board is paired and relatively dry, I would still be very cautious with these calldowns.

1. There is a limited number of people on this level who actually do 3barrel and if someone does it is defenitely noteworthy.
2. The K is a good bluffcard but it actually is also a big part of the part of his range that we where beating on the turn.
3. When we know he is aggro he propably is not only aggro with his bluffs but also with his vbets. So his range is not that polarized on the River. He might vbet 88,99 (55 and 66 is also basically the same hand), obviously Ts and Kings maybe a random 4 and better Aces (!).
1. afq60 guy is probably one of them. He is pre-flop raiser and the pot is HU. Seems ideal candidate for 3 brarrel to me.
2. Yes I know, but K alone is not going to be the reason for me to fold on river once I called turn.
3. I know I can't beat any pair and I know he'll vbet all of pps, but pp are relatively small portion of his range.
01-05-2010 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace_frehly
I agree with the other guys. I am hating the river King though. Many players will open raise any Kx OTB, I do a majority of the time. But if you called the turn you are probably calling the river.
Yah, river sucks, but I call.

It's also 4-handed, so it makes it even easier.
01-05-2010 , 03:22 AM
3 bet pre.
Lead flop. Too spewy?

As played I would call the river too.
01-05-2010 , 05:55 AM
Am I a nit for wanting to fold this pf??? Even if it may be the best hand pf I just hate the way it plays OOP. I generally dont defend my blind with easily dominated hands cause IME they just cost me money. Is this a leak in my game that I need to work on or is this fairly standard.
01-05-2010 , 08:39 AM
its close, the K is very bad card for you
01-05-2010 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ledn378
Am I a nit for wanting to fold this pf??? Even if it may be the best hand pf I just hate the way it plays OOP. I generally dont defend my blind with easily dominated hands cause IME they just cost me money. Is this a leak in my game that I need to work on or is this fairly standard.
You're a huge nit if you're folding this preflop. Sure it may be easily dominated, but BTN's range consists of a lot more non Ax than it does Ax.
01-05-2010 , 09:55 AM
it's a coinflip

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,157,372,864 games 16.239 secs 687,072,656 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.366% 48.36% 04.00% 5395997844 446656512.00 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, A2o+, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 47.634% 43.63% 04.00% 4868061996 446656512.00 { A2o }
01-05-2010 , 10:16 AM
that stove is off, his range should be wider. if it is right and it is a coinflip a fold would be terrible since the pot is offering you a lot more than 1:1.
01-05-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
that stove is off, his range should be wider. if it is right and it is a coinflip a fold would be terrible since the pot is offering you a lot more than 1:1.
I just took 45% like mentioned in the OP

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Originally Posted by :-)
24/27/61 ATS45 270hands
01-05-2010 , 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon1893
I just took 45% like mentioned in the OP
He didn't say what the attempt to steal was on the button, it's gonna be wider than the overall attempt to steal. Also keep in mind with the sample size that the stat hasn't converged yet.
01-05-2010 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
that stove is off, his range should be wider. if it is right and it is a coinflip a fold would be terrible since the pot is offering you a lot more than 1:1.
Let me check. My attempt to steal on button is ATS x 1.25. If villain has same ratio with me, his ATS on BTN will be around 45 x 1.25 = 56. New range is

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T4s+,95s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,5 3s+,43s,32s,A2o+,K5o+,Q7o+,J8o+,T7o+,97o+,87o,76o

I changed it a little bit based on opponent's tendencies: adding 22, more small suited connectors and removing others.

New stove is

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

14,095,686,528 games 10.155 secs 1,388,053,818 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.783% 47.55% 03.23% 6702723816 455512896.00 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J3s+, T4s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s, 32s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J8o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o }
Hand 1: 49.217% 45.99% 03.23% 6481936920 455512896.00 { A2o }

It is a little better, but still a coin flip.

I tried a range for hero based on other 50-50 equity hands.

44+,A2o+,K9o+,QTo+,A2s+,K7s+,Q9s+,Jts

Of course, this range is based on stove equity. You need to change them based on other equities and villain.
01-05-2010 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HighWay

It is a little better, but still a coin flip.
It will stay pretty much a coinflop no matter how wide villains range is. Just stove A2o versus ATC for example. A2o is only a 58% favourite against 43o for example. A2o will only win a big equity edge over villains range by adding 2x to vilains range, which should be at the bottom of villains range.
01-05-2010 , 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by La Peste
He didn't say what the attempt to steal was on the button, it's gonna be wider than the overall attempt to steal. Also keep in mind with the sample size that the stat hasn't converged yet.
How many hands do you think we need on a villian to accurately use the attempt to steal information effectively
01-05-2010 , 08:46 PM
i like this call. esp if villain checks behind 4s and some pocket pairs < T which many do.

      
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