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01-14-2008 , 02:27 AM
villain is 30/20/3 over 200 hands or so
he is quite aggressive, I've caught him making some dumb overplays

Preflop: yourface is in the SB with Qc Ts
4 folds, yourface raises to 15.00, BB calls 10.00.

Flop (40.00) Kd 5h 2d
yourface bets 10.00, BB raises to 20.00, yourface calls 10.00.

Turn (80.00) Ks
yourface checks, BB bets 20.00, yourface calls 20.00.

River (120.00) Ah
yourface bets 20.00

I thought betting the river would be better than c/c because maybe he'll fold a small pair
01-14-2008 , 02:32 AM
idk, i hate playing small pots like this down with air, maybe for metagame, flop does have diamond draw, he is 3 betting an ace PF

basically ur turn call is saying i am picking off a bluff, then on the river u decide to bluff ur hand which makes little sense if u thought it was good enough to call the turn then i c/c river to get another bluff out of him

i do understand ur reasoning on the river play, i am very curious to see what others say on this hand
01-14-2008 , 02:36 AM
hard to believe that I pick off a river bluff, after the turn it def looks like I am showdown bound and my most likely hand to have there is Ax

I turned my hand into a total bluff hoping that he would fold 2x 5x enough of the time
01-14-2008 , 02:44 AM
He's one disciplined lagtag if he folded the best hand here. I know I wouldn't have. Well maybe qj maybe
01-14-2008 , 02:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yourface

I thought betting the river would be better than c/c because maybe he'll fold a small pair


he wont
01-14-2008 , 03:22 AM
i think you should c/c. first of all betting is not an effective bluff as others pointed out. secondly, your hand can beat all of his bluffs - so bluffing with it has less value than bluffing with a completely hopeless hand. thirdly, by calling the turn you are making a metagame play. basically if you fold hands as strong as this on the turn he will have a profitable bluff-raise on the flop with any two. so you are calling the flop and the turn partly to prevent him from trying to bluff-raise you with cheese in the future. if you bet and he folds he will never see your hand so the metagame value of calling down with Q high would be lost.
01-14-2008 , 03:25 AM
Would you bet an ace if you held one?
01-14-2008 , 04:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlopYouDead
Would you bet an ace if you held one?
yep, 100%. I don't expect most villains to bet many (if any) worse hands when checked to

which is why I didn't like the idea of c/c

how many of you would fire the last barrel with a busted draw or bet a worse pair when I check the river (pretend you didn't read the previous paragraph where I said I would bet an ace 100%)
01-14-2008 , 04:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yourface
yep, 100%. I don't expect most villains to bet many (if any) worse hands when checked to

which is why I didn't like the idea of c/c

how many of you would fire the last barrel with a busted draw or bet a worse pair when I check the river (pretend you didn't read the previous paragraph where I said I would bet an ace 100%)
What's your WtSD? <40, I'd bet. Otherwise check.
01-14-2008 , 05:51 AM
Against an agressive player I think it's better to let him 3-barrel his busted draws. Most hands he'll fold to your donk you beat anyway.
01-14-2008 , 12:51 PM
I think the hand ranges for both players are nearly identical here except Villain can have a K and Hero can have Q hi. With the wheel draw in play the A is scary for both and I think either player can rep it and put considerable pressure on the other's range. That being the case I think I might c/c if I held an ace and fire a busted draw were I villain. I would not bet a weak pair in either case.
01-14-2008 , 01:08 PM
I peel flop and fold turn. So what if he overplays some hands? I don't think its a good idea to start calling down Q hi in these spots. Although I agree it's not bad spot to do so, I feel you'd be better off just moving on to the next hand and giving him this one. Am I the only one who does this?
01-14-2008 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leader
What's your WtSD? <40, I'd bet. Otherwise check.
isn't that counterintuitive? if we're trying to induce bluffs I'd think that villain would be more likely to bet vs someone not showdown bound

villain would have to have serious balls to value bet a 5 here, and I think it would be a -EV play vs the average TAG player
01-14-2008 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yourface
isn't that counterintuitive? if we're trying to induce bluffs I'd think that villain would be more likely to bet vs someone not showdown bound
You asked who would barrel the river. I said I would if you had less then 40 WtSD.
01-14-2008 , 06:44 PM
ah ok, thought you were saying what you'd do as hero
01-15-2008 , 01:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
he wont
Full Tilt Poker $8.00/$16.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A 2
3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls

Flop: (2 BB) T 3 Q (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

River: (5 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

Spoiler:
Final Pot: 7 BB
Hero shows As 2d (a pair of Aces)
BB mucks 5s Kc
Hero wins 6.812 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

      
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