Both are bad players. UTG is a big whale and I think he tries to steal some pots by donking.

I guess is std to fold this river, HU I'd call against him but 3handed is best to fold, isnt it?

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HAND 1
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$1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


CO: $31 (31 bb)
BTN: $50.75 (50.8 bb)
SB: $20.50 (20.5 bb)
BB: $32.50 (32.5 bb)
UTG: $64.25 (64.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $41 (41 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with Q A
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: ($8) 2 7 J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls

Turn: ($11) 3 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls

River: ($17) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, 2 folds

Is it really wise to c-bet flop four-handed?

I wonder if he's donking w/ a flush draw on the turn. I see lots of fishy players do that.

The small blind must've had a 8-10 for a gut shot or Q10.

I would've folded, but i wouldn't be surprised if you others say call down

I call on the turn because this donk could be anything. Most likely is some weird draw, in fact he folded on the river.

The thing is on the river, I think I have to fold here 3handed

The donk might be anything, but what about the UTG call. I don't think I could overcall here with just overcards.

nh, don't think one sec calling that river

calling no, but raising crosses my mind


i mean, the guy has 7x or nothing. if he has nothing or some random PP he might fold, and the sb, faced with two, might fold his A3, or if he has a draw, he will fold


it's a big pot, and i'm pretty convinced the sb has nothing, and i'm pretty sure the UTG has nothing

I think this is the perfect spot to go for a river raise. Your analysis sums up why.

Check flop. Fold turn. Raise river.

Call river > Raise river, no? If these guys are as dumb as OP implies, are they really going to fold their PP or A3 to an extra bet? I agree it seems like they both have garbage some large % of the time.

C-betting this flop is pretty bad imo.

I think you're spot on, but I'm usually a pussy and fold river because no one folds anything for 1-bet in 1/2.

why is bad to cbet this flop? there are high chances my A and Q are good here, there are 8SB on the pot and for 1SB more I can buy a river card most of the time.

if two of them fold, I can barrel again the turn and check behind river UI. If two or more are calling I'm not cbetting turn...

Would you give up on the flop?

I just typically don't bet air against 3 people because the odds of "buying" a river card for 1 SB is hugely outweighed by the times you get check/raised.

it's cool that you don't get it

This doesn't matter. The river bettor is loose enough to get to the river with many hands we're ahead of, and the OP suspects he's the type to try to buy pots too. Given the final texture of the board (no straight draws or FDs got there), Folding the river to this guy's range is probably incorrect. However, because there's a guy behind us that also could have us beat, we can't call the river. Against two people that might have us beat, we probably don't have the right odds. That's why we should raise the river to shut the other guy out. If SB has less than Jx, he will likely fold facing 2BB not closing the action. Even fish fold in that spot. So now it will usually come down to whether we have the river bettor beat. I don't expect him to fold a better hand than us, although you never know. I just like my chances of having a better hand than him and even though I have to invest 2bbs to find out who's best, I still think I'm getting profitable odds to do just that.

usually what happens is the SB calls with 66 and the river better calls with A3

and i go, fu ap