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AJ rivers two pair AJ rivers two pair

10-02-2008 , 12:00 AM
Villain here is 23/10/2.1/37% WTSD over 175 hands.

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BB with J A
BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BTN calls

Flop: (6.4 SB) 9 5 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (4.2 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero calls

River: (8.2 BB) J (2 players)
Hero...?

Bet/call, check/raise, or something else entirely? My first inclination is to bet/call but I really have no idea.
10-02-2008 , 12:11 AM
vs. a real aggro stealer you should probably c/c because there are quite a few 5x hands in his range and vs. a lot of players you can discount some worse aces on the turn for raising and better ones for not capping preflop. but with this guy's low pfr (and likely low steal%), he probably won't have 85s or K5o here, so you should be able to checkraise.

i'd never bet here without a read that he's a fsdr-monkey
10-02-2008 , 02:56 AM
I am wondering if pf 3-betting AJs is good here w/o position ang against fairly tight BTN opening range (what is his ASB ?). IMO, just calling make post-flop life easier, but def interested to hear others' thoughts.
10-02-2008 , 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armor32
I am wondering if pf 3-betting AJs is good here w/o position ang against fairly tight BTN opening range (what is his ASB ?). IMO, just calling make post-flop life easier, but def interested to hear others' thoughts.

I am not quite sure what is best, but Oink had said in a previous post that he never 3bets OOP heads up. I would assume that this is for deception purposes and also makes hand easier to get away from if you miss and to C/r if you hit the flop.

Would really like to hear Oink elaborate more on this.
10-02-2008 , 11:26 AM
Quote:
I am not quite sure what is best, but Oink had said in a previous post that he never 3bets OOP heads up. I would assume that this is for deception purposes and also makes hand easier to get away from if you miss and to C/r if you hit the flop.
Lots of good players do that, and some so-so players like me :P

3-betting in the BB HU or not is an interesting strategical option. I 3-bet against poor players to maximize my equity edge preflop and almost never 3-bet against decent players who can hand read. I wouldn't say one strategy is better than the other, but if you elect to 3-bet against good players you need to have a WIDE and balanced 3-betting range because you don't want to be OOP in a somewhat big pot against a player who can narrow your range and exploit you.

Of course 3-betting a hand like AJs has inmediate positive espectation, but calling and check-raising good flops gets the same amount of bets, or we can choose to check-call to induce bluffs and keep the pot smaller in that situations. Also, our flop check-raising range gets stronger because we always have AA and such in our range, allowing us to semibluff more and/or increase our postflop expectation in general.

In the hand I'm probably check-raising river. Some worse Ax in his range that are bet/calling and he's probably not semibluffing/FSR. If 3-bet I'd call but I'd be very unhappy.
10-02-2008 , 01:07 PM
I would not check raise the river; you don't want to put in three big bets if in fact he does have a 5, which he very well could.
On the river, we now beat a large portion of his range, so I'd go with:

Check/Call
or
Bet/Call

Both are fine.
10-02-2008 , 02:44 PM
this is a ridiculously easy checkraise. he more likely has some type of Ax, AK, AQ then some hand with a 5 in it. SHIP IT!
10-02-2008 , 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortySaurus
this is a ridiculously easy checkraise. he more likely has some type of Ax, AK, AQ then some hand with a 5 in it. SHIP IT!
+1
10-02-2008 , 03:03 PM
For everyone check/raising, are you folding to a 3-bet?
10-02-2008 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by topspinner
...Oink had said in a previous post that he never 3bets OOP heads up.
I don't understand why he would say this. (Oh, are you talking about preflop? If you're talking about the river, I don't get it.)

As for the river, I think you can get away with a c/r here unless he's a fsdr type. This is going to be a big A or A9 alot more than a 5.

Last edited by numbnuts; 10-02-2008 at 03:38 PM. Reason: I saids flop, but I meants preflop
10-02-2008 , 03:25 PM
[QUOTE=numbnuts007;6420577]I don't understand why he would say this. (Oh, are you talking about the flop? If you're talking about the river, I don't get it.)



I believe he was just referring to Preflop.
10-02-2008 , 04:21 PM
For those suggesting a C/R be aware that the back door flush completed on the river. Against this tight player I am much less concerned about the BD draw as I doubt he semi-bluffs the turn that often and his range is much more skewed towards big aces.

Agaisnt a 34/24/2 type player I think it becomes more of a concern.
10-03-2008 , 03:57 AM
Im not sure why you would bet/call here. He will be betting 100% of rivers anyway. I mean hes not doing this with 66

Its closer between c/r and c/c

I c/r and vomit/call a 3bet praying for A9
10-03-2008 , 08:27 AM
Preflop mean he has so many more combos of Ax than 5x, so we have to CR for value, even if we're always crying calling the 3bet (I am). The good thing about the back draw flush coming in is that he may well (rightly or wrongly) decide not to 3bet his 5x.

      
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