Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
99 OOP pfr cap or call ? 99 OOP pfr cap or call ?

06-10-2008 , 03:24 PM
PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
2 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 7, T, J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) T (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (12.20 BB) T (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

co 45/20/1,4 wts 37
bu 25/20/2,14 wts 33

does anyone cap here pfr ?
i decided to just call , because i think that co isnt folding his hand, so i can protect my hand better with a flop check raise.
i think the rest of the hand is fine. or does anyone call this river ?
06-10-2008 , 03:46 PM
I cap this even if CO is coming. If he ever folds, and he must at least a small portion of the time, it's a win. We have solid eq vs. top 20. CO is probably a bit lighter and Btn a bit stronger but we're ok. Calling then checking to see what the flop action is allows us to get blown off our hand too often. Btn can protect 88 on the flop just as we would protect 99 and we're in a tough spot.

As played, flop is rough. I don't think CO is folding anything we want him to fold. We are dogs. I would just call.

Having called flop there's no way we can fold running Ts. CO has nothing and we can hope Btn is barreling the bricks with overs, though the river bet is bad as we'd expect him to sd AK ui. He can't think any pair is folding, tho one did. Wouldn't shock me if CO dragged it with 66.
06-10-2008 , 04:39 PM
Cap PF

I dont think I raise the flop but I am not sure
06-10-2008 , 04:45 PM
I like the call PF.

I fold flop unless you have . What are we ahead of exactly? AK/AQ/KQ, and those hands all have 10 outs or better to improve. Easy check/fold given PF action barring specific reads.
06-10-2008 , 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave D
I like the call PF.

I fold flop unless you have . What are we ahead of exactly? AK/AQ/KQ, and those hands all have 10 outs or better to improve. Easy check/fold given PF action barring specific reads.

That's a lot of combos right there, plus underpairs to the 99s and A7s. We still have about 25% eq in a big pot, and once we see CO just call it's a bit better.
06-10-2008 , 04:52 PM
I cap it preflop.

I don't like the CR on the flop. With the action preflop and two cards J and T on the flop there aren't many hands your opponents didn't catch a piece here. It will be difficult for you as you can see to know what to do going forward. I would just call and reevaluate the turn.

The river is tough, but you are probably beat. i can't give you great advice here since I have been showing down way too much.
06-10-2008 , 05:48 PM
I like to cap preflop but don't think it matters too much.

I don't like the flop c/r I think that you are either a wee bit ahead or miles behind so our equity is never gonna be that great. I'd rather take a more passive aproach and c/c because our equity can change alot either way on the turn so it's wise to try and see it cheaply imo
06-11-2008 , 01:06 AM
I cap and I do think it matters. I don't see any reason not to cap.
06-11-2008 , 01:58 AM
that last T on the river is the biggest brick in the deck so i don't think you should fold the river, any A, K or Q are folds, bluff/c/r a J if you get counterfeited (not sure about this one)
06-11-2008 , 02:46 AM
I personally like calling preflop here because of your good relative position to the preflop three-bettor. You will be able to face the CO with 2 bets on a good flop.

This wasn't a good flop, but you have ~4.5 outs getting 10:1 so I just call on the flop.
06-11-2008 , 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gurravasa
I cap and I do think it matters. I don't see any reason not to cap.

One reason to not cap PF is to see if CO caps the pot. It allows you to narrow his range a little bit.
06-11-2008 , 08:07 AM
Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.208% 39.84% 00.37% 2896754 27051.83 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 26.845% 25.99% 00.86% 1889746 62317.33 { 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 32.947% 32.02% 00.93% 2328353 67462.83 { 55+, A5s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }


We are giving up too much by not capping.
06-11-2008 , 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oink
Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.208% 39.84% 00.37% 2896754 27051.83 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 26.845% 25.99% 00.86% 1889746 62317.33 { 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 32.947% 32.02% 00.93% 2328353 67462.83 { 55+, A5s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }


We are giving up too much by not capping.
Im surprised its as much as 40% I always cap 9s too but sometimes take villians line with 8s so thats why I didn't think that it would matter too much.

Interestingly for me 88 has 37% here so I should probably be capping that all the time too?

With which pairs(if any) do you think the OPs play would be reasonable in this example?
06-11-2008 , 01:46 PM
66 or 55
06-11-2008 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oink
Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.208% 39.84% 00.37% 2896754 27051.83 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 26.845% 25.99% 00.86% 1889746 62317.33 { 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 32.947% 32.02% 00.93% 2328353 67462.83 { 55+, A5s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }

We are giving up too much by not capping.
I don't mind giving up a bit a preflop equity if it gives me a better chance at winning this pot post flop. Keeping the betting initiative to my direct right has some value here IMO.
06-14-2008 , 03:57 AM
This is a standard cap for me pf, both ranges will be reasonably wide. I think it makes the hand easier to play in general postflop.

Flop and river are very interesting imo, id instinctively raise flop but i think calling is prob best as we probably dont have a tonne of equity and we are never folding any unpaired overs such KQ, AK, AQ by raising. Id play this hand like a draw.

I cant really see how we can fold the river given the size of the pot. We are almost always ahead of CO so I welcome his overcall. Pray for AK or 77 from button..
06-14-2008 , 04:13 AM
Capping or calling preflop are both OK

I like the cr on the flop. Maybe you get CO to fold AK or AQ.

I call the RVR getting 14 to 1

      
m