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88 vs 2 limpers 3 calls 88 vs 2 limpers 3 calls

11-19-2007 , 10:04 PM
These spots confuse me, especially vs lp's. Is this a standard fold?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
UTG calls, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) Q, 7, 5 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero folds
11-19-2007 , 10:10 PM
yeah I would probably fold, if you're behind here your drawing to two outs, and if you catch one of your outs and someone is betting/calling with a straight draw here you might lose money if you hit it. In this spot I usually assume UTG has a Q and the MP is on either a straight or flush draw and even if I'm ahead at this point They both probably have redraws out the ass.
11-19-2007 , 10:20 PM
Raise it up.
11-19-2007 , 10:39 PM
With two backdoor draws and the possibility that you are ahead of UTG and MP, getting 10.5-1 I wouldn't fold. I would consider calling or raising, not sure which.
11-19-2007 , 10:50 PM
Backdoor flush? I'm thinking if I actually hit the 8 high would not hold up. I have one player to act behind who will most likely call whether or not I call. Seems like I have 3 outs at best.
11-19-2007 , 10:59 PM
yah but you also have the best hand sometimes and there are 10.4SB in the pot
11-19-2007 , 11:01 PM
But I will get redrawn so I don't have implied odds and I supposedly need to be getting about 14-1 odds to call. UTG is betting into 3 people, I doubt its a semi bluff.
11-19-2007 , 11:03 PM
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But I will get redrawn so I don't have implied odds and I supposedly need to be getting about 14-1 odds to call. UTG is betting into 3 people, I doubt its a semi bluff.
People play flush draws like this all the time.
11-19-2007 , 11:08 PM
Like Oink said in another post of mine, I think I have some big flaws in my game. Most of the time I want to keep going in a hand I'm told to fold and when I seem to be looking for folds everyone else is looking for calls or raises!
11-19-2007 , 11:09 PM
you didn't provide any reads but people play all sorts of crap like this. straight draws, flush draws, middle/bottom pair, even stuff like ace high

the pot is pretty big you can't bail on it with a hand this strong without a good reason
11-20-2007 , 12:05 AM
9 replies & no obv. "raise preflop" yet?
11-20-2007 , 12:20 AM
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9 replies & no obv. "raise preflop" yet?
I think it was ...
11-20-2007 , 01:10 AM
I doubt I fold the flop for one bet. Matter of fact I think raising is slightly better as we can get hands like K9-J, A9, AT to fold when they would be close to correct to call our raise if they had back door flush draws to go along. I understand that straight draws and flush draws are calling, but we don't always face these behind us. A raise can increase our pot equity a great deal.

edit: I see that you metioned loose passives. Sometimes they do weird stuff often enough. If you have a read that says he hasn't bet a draw and only bets top pair, then it's a fold in my books. Otherwise I take the action I layed out above.
11-20-2007 , 09:16 AM
in these spots I mostly call the flop, not sure if its the best line
11-20-2007 , 09:50 AM
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Like Oink said in another post of mine, I think I have some big flaws in my game. Most of the time I want to keep going in a hand I'm told to fold and when I seem to be looking for folds everyone else is looking for calls or raises!
It's normal to have flaws when you play 0.25/0.5, but folding more is not a solution. You have to analyse the hands where you are not sure. In this hand you have 2 outs for a set and 1-1.5 outs with the backdoors imo with slightly positive implied odds. Moreover you have the best hand quite often, so you can't fold.

Raising is not bad imo against a lp, the lp donk often a made hand. So if he 3 bet you are quite sure you are behind (fd is possible but unlikely imo), so you can make a good fold on the turn in this case. Moreover it is a good thing if the pot becomes HU.

      
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