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1/2, 2 pairs against prob. fish 1/2, 2 pairs against prob. fish

09-30-2009 , 01:56 PM
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 305574
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Pre Flop: (2 SB) Hero is SB with Q J
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (8 SB) 5 Q J (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, CO folds

Turn: (5 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls

Villain is new. No accurate reads.
I suspect he is the kind to play bet if checked to and call if bet.
09-30-2009 , 02:20 PM
I'd probably b/f twice. Honestly not really sure what to do, I wouldn't hate a c/f here but I feel like c/c twice here is going to be the worst line.
09-30-2009 , 02:50 PM
I think c/f the turn is the worst possible line here. You are pretty much inviting him to take the 5 BB pot away from you without really trying. And you probably should call anyway due to implied odds to spike your boat.

You also can't b/f the turn since you will have immediate odds to draw to a boat.

So you are left with b/c and c/c. Of the two, I think c/c is far superior since you are getting raised a ton when you are behind, he's never folding a , he is folding a bunch of the crappy pairs and draws you have beat, and its a really tempting spot to bluff.

On the river, I think more hands will take a stab at the pot than will call your bet. And when you b/f you will be bluffed out of what has become a decent sized pot a small percentage of the time (but probably not enough to profitably call).
09-30-2009 , 04:16 PM
i'd c/c turn, but c/f river..most time your hand is no good any more if he bet twice with 4 spades showing.., if he has a pair but no spade, he probably check behind.. this board is as scary for you as it's scary for him if he doesn't have a spade, he likely called with a spade when it was multi wayed.
10-01-2009 , 03:03 AM
I like jrobb explanations. This was almost exactly my thoughts, but I couldn't put clear words on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelscai
i'd c/c turn, but c/f river
Actually, when I posted my hand I was about to ask if I call the turn, should I call any river ?
I thought it was pretty obvious (maybe not ?). If I call this turn, the river will always be a blank (of course expect Q or J). Then I always have a crying call.

Basically, my thought was either c/f the turn, or calldown. There is almost no point in making kind of intermediate play ? Expect if I had some special reads.
10-01-2009 , 03:17 AM
A good argument could be made for c/f the river. Its a scary board, and as OlivLu pointed out, any river that doesn't improve you basically means nothing. But I'm not trusting a probable fish to recognize that the river means nothing. And while the board is scary, all you've done is check to him twice.

You pretty much have to get to the river. And once you're there, I'm not folding top two getting 8-1 after I've repped a very weak hand.

      
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