What the hell are you talking about? You're claiming that the youtube videos were all given to the government before being posted and all of them went through post production before given back? All of them were keyed the same way so the path of the planes were the same in all of the shots?

What were people who tracked the planes into the tower taking videos of if there were no planes there?

You'll also need to make some cites when you say things like "the planes were added to my pictures by the government" if you want to be taken seriously.

Yea, you'll need some cites for this.



Because otherwise it wouldn't have worked to bring down the buildings.

Make believe weapons are hard to disprove, you may have the perfect conspiracy theory on your hands because it is impossible to disprove!

That's not a claim. It's a fact.

There are only about 35 videos in existence of the planes impacting the Towers. Every single one of those videos passed through the government's hands before being presented to the public.

If you can link me to a video of a plane impacting the building that wasn't ever in the government's possession a lot of people out there on the internet would love to see it. As such a video currently doesn't exist.


They tracked holograms of planes into the towers.

The guy (don't remember his name) I'm referring to never said,"the planes were added to my pictures." He simply said that he snapped a photo of the buildings, turned in the film without developing it, and was surprised to see a crystal clear image of a plane in the photo when it was released to the public. As he wasn't taking a picture of the plane, but the building itself.

The way this guy made it sound, he thought the plane was traveling to fast for his eyes to notice when he snapped the photo. He never accused the government of altering the photo, but there is a chance that they did and this is why he was so surprised to see a plane.

Bull****

Unless planes are involved, of course.

Funny how that works.


The documentation regarding holographic technology will take some digging. The forums containing them no longer exist.

U don't think any of the people kept copies for themselves before turning them into the government?

No, it's not funny. You thinking that all of the videos in this clip:



Went through government hands and had CGI added to it is funny. How long were the live news videos delayed so the CGI could be added? You have no idea how long that takes do you?

There are still videos/photos being turned in. So, yes, people definitely kept videos/photos to themselves, but none of the videos posted on youtube come from independent anonymous sources. They all come from the government and the people who filmed the footage are all documented and known. More well researched people than myself can name the people who filmed every video you link.

Every video you link to on youtube was filmed by a documented source that turned the footage into the government. Even IF a video were uploaded anonymously the government would have the legal right to seize the footage because it shows a crime that is under Federal criminal investigation.

So, any footage legally belongs to the government by default.

Bull****

Do you honestly think the government didn't document the people who filmed each video? Seriously?

URallFISH2me,

Have you thought about starting a thread in OOT about how no planes hit the towers or PMing that theory right to killa?

No, I have no desire to make a thread. There are plenty of "no plane theory" threads out there on the internet. I'm fairly surprised I'm the first person to discuss it. As this has been hashed out and debated on forums for years and years. The "no plane theory" is old news.

Who is killa?

Mod from NYC who will permaban you if he gets the chance for such nonsense.

Why don't you present some parts from the 4 planes with serial numbers that correspond to Boeing's database and prove that it's nonsense? You know...actual tangible evidence that can be examined and scrutinized the way the scientific method requires.

ONE PART out of millions would conclusively prove the "no plane theory" to be untrue. I don't see why it's so difficult to do that. Unless, there were no planes.

Shut up, fish.

Are you kidding?

If there are no plane parts around that is absolutely proof that there was no conspiracy involving fake planes. You don't think they could come up with some plane parts to make it look good?

Ah, but they did. There was an engine "recovered" on Murray Street in New York City.

The problem with it is that it's been identified as a C-6, or a CFM-56 engine. Both of which are made by General Electric and are used in Boeing 737's. United Airlines strictly uses engines made by Pratt and Whitney. So, the only parts we've seen indicate that the government's story is false and that the United Airlines flight that allegedly hit the towers was something else.

At the very least, we're talking about an aircraft that is much smaller than the Boeing 767 that allegedly hit the towers. In all likelihood there was no aircraft at all and the photo of the old rusty engine on Murray Street was a hoax that they "came up with" as you put it.

It's also possible the news anchors in the studio commentating on the events of 9/11 viewed a prerecorded video with CGI.

Which, wouldn't require a delay at all.

Guys, there's like a 0% chance that he actually believes this ****. Stop feeding the trolls.

There is a 0% chance the I believe pilots who say that the engine on Murray Street comes from a different model of airplane than the one allegedly used in the attacks on 9/11?

Are you sure about that?

That's not quite what I said, but fraud's gonna fraud.

Anyhow, I guess you don't have the balls to answer a very easy question. Likely because you know an honest answer puts the rest of your "nothing to see here" narrative in jeopardy.

Are you going to ****ing cite a single thing?

I already told you to go to Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Everything I'm saying regarding plane engines, holograms, and video fakery can be found on their site. You're a big boy. You can use Google.


I've already gone through these "no plane" debates numerous times over the years on various forums and I'm not wasting any more time digging up links the way I did during those. I understand this information is "new and shocking" to you, but to people like me who have looked into this subject heavily for the past 10 years this is all old news and taking time out of my day to provide links for old news that you should already know about simply isn't a big priority for me.

Frankly, you guys shouldn't be commenting on a 9/11 thread when you don't already know about basic aspects of 9/11 conspiracy theories like the "no plane theory." I assumed this would've already been brought up in a 300 page thread, but I guess I was overly optimistic.

^ sigh

What you are you sighing about, Jiggs?

Are you a "plane hugger," too?