An alternative viewpoint might be that the responsibility lies with the person who is unintelligible; that the decent thing is for that person to own that fact, strive to do better, and not blame the consequences of their shortcomings on others.

So are you taking back your previous comment about being new and not quite sure what's going on?

What do you mean? BTW your history with me, like most others in this thread, doesn't give me much confidence in your sincerity or understanding.

Yeah, I have you pegged. You failed at trolling badly today. Probably is best if you do slinky away.

You're apparently too stupid to realize that, on this topic, I'm quite poisonous to trolls.

Lol. Delusions.

Would you clarify or elaborate?

You see things that aren't there. You're out of touch with reality. A wackjob.... et cetera.... et cetera...

I'll take your use of mental health stigma as a sign of your complete failure as a troll.

A complete and miserable failure to be a precise. If Gandalf were here, you'd be turned to stone.

What I mean is that, in the case in point, it is up to you to take responsibility for your unintelligibility. It is not the responsibility of others to take up the burden of making you explicable. The decent thing is for you to take on board what the problem is, address it, and increase your cogency.

Attempting to shift the burden for your failing onto your critics, by saying that they ought to take the time and trouble to explain to others what you may be saying, is lazy and a dereliction of your responsibilities.

As for my history with you, I hardly have any. I have interacted with large numbers of 2+2 members as both a poster and a mod, my contact with you is in the 'extremely infrequent' category. Despite that, in our brief interactions, and my limited experience of your interactions with others, I have formed an extremely negative view of you.

Now, given that I mod one of the busier forums on 2+2, the question arises as to why, out of the hundreds or thousands of posters I come across, you should be only the second one in my history on 2+2 that I chose to put on ignore. A reflective person might ask themselves if they did something to cause this.

I can tell you haven't considered my side at all and think I'm just blaming people.

It does take two to come to a mutual understanding.

Lol, none of that stops you from being a delusional wackjob. Like if you were in touch with reality you would have stopped whining about the big bad mean bullies and listened to people when you were a mod.

Could you clarify?

Is that your new way to troll?

I have in fact considered your side, and as I posted in the mod forum I concluded that you were either mentally ill or were a habitual troll. Again, you may want to ask yourself why a disinterested outsider might take that position.

I will be the first to agree, though, that is based on possibly limited evidence. I am an open minded person, and I have changed my mind about many things. To re-evaluate I will need evidence that I don't currently have, and to be honest you will have to provide it.

Elliott - Can we please have a containment thread for this poster? One man should not be allowed to take down an entire forum.

It's time.

I remember you from ATF. You are not exactly just a disinterested bystander.

The guy who is not making a mockery of a person's language use capability is the habitual troll in the scenario? That's an odd read. Kind of baffling.

I doubt you have taken much consideration of my side on the matter There are several easy and basic tells for this. You have lectured and stated your derisive opinions, but have not asked me very many, if any questions. You seem oblivious to what I have stated on the matter.

Not that I would be automatically inclined to answer questions now that you have lectured derisively and admitted you have very limited information. I reasonably don't trust your judgment and I doubt your sincerity.

That's the boat the other concerned trolls ITT are in. They failed to take care and look before they leapt to really stupid conclusions. Such is life. Nothing I can do about other people's internet choices.

I appreciate your candor about having an open mind. That is a good thing if you are serious. I hope you appreciate my candor here as well.

If you find a post of mine difficult to understand, simply ask me to clarify. I have provided examples of this recently ITF. This is far more efficient than trying to be the boss of me and you'll just embarrass yourself if you keep trying. Frankly, it's just common sense IMO, but people seem to forget about that around here quite easily.

BTW- How much experience do you have with people who have mental illness?

Dids and I have had our differences, but I think he should be allowed to post as freely as the rest of us.

Or both.

It's like Alex tried to teach a crazy person how to troll.

So you guys think people who are mentally ill should be relentlessly trolled?

At one point I was a disinterested bystander who had never seen one of your posts, after seeing some of them I came to a conclusion, but calling me 'interested' would be a stretch.

This is the exact kind of statement that indicates that you may be a troll. If you are truly baffled, you should ask for clarification, not deride me.

The problem here is the relative importance and weight that we attribute to this. I am content to judge your posts by their content. If your posts require further clarification or explanation then that fault lies with you, and not with my lack of follow up questioning.

That actually isn't very reasonable, but its your choice.

I can't really comment on that. I have explained what your posting lead me to believe. You should reflect on why that is.

I always appreciate candid and straightforward expression of opinion. I hope you appreciate that I come to decisions based on the evidence that I see. Sometimes I may ask for more or enquire into things on my own behalf, but that usually requires that I have some kind of investment in the ultimate outcome.


I have no desire to be the boss of you. I don't even know what that would really entail. I sincerely doubt that I will have the slightest embarrassment regarding this exchange, but who knows ?

I am not a healthcare professional, but I have significant experience of several kinds of mental illness in friends and relatives, for what that's worth.

I think you are rather of full of yourself. You think communication is a one-way street- your way. Your lack of knowledge about reaching a mutual understanding is your problem.

As is your complete idiocy jumping in this thread and not even trying to find out my side of the story before running your mouth.

Clearly you thought I might be mentally ill and decided that lecturing and berating was a smart choice. Also pathetic is your decision to spread your uninformed and derisive opinion about me- both publicly and in the mod forum.

I do wish you the best using your open mind to avoid this kind of embarrassing and stupid situation in the future.

Lol and the veil of positivity disappears...