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08-14-2017 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
here is a demonstration of actual, real racism. unlike the false racism being accused of me.

"ability to connect with the community that is being policed is an asset"

it is an extremely racist idea that a police officer's skin color is an asset to his job. what does that say about the community that he's serving? that in a black community, the residents only want to see other black faces? in a hispanic community, the residents only want to see other brown faces? it would be really hard to be more racist toward the citizens of these communities.

i think the people you refer to would prefer to have the best possible cops working, regardless of race, so that when they call 911 someone less qualified doesn't show up who was hired because they are the correct skin color.

look in the mirror, it's hard to be more implicitly racist than that.

Your expertise is need in the Real Racist(tm) thread.


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08-14-2017 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
hypothetical: let's say the state is prosecuting some guy who murdered his wife. the guy is black and his wife was white.

we want this guy in prison, yes?

the prosecutor determines that white jurors are MUCH more likely to convict this guy than black jurors.

would you not prefer that the state prosecutor attempts to make the jury as white as possible so we can put him in jail?
holy god you know nothing about how anything works

i cant even use a shift key or punctuation this post is so amazing
08-14-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
i agree, when a black man finally becomes president of the united states, that will probably solve things.



i think discrimination exists.

i do not think the system is discriminatory by default, and in any ways that it still is, there's no moral way to correct it.

in america, a random black baby is going to be more likely to go to prison than a random white baby. this is due to a million factors, most of which can't be clearly identified.

there's no way for the government to take action to give black and white people the exact same outcomes, without blatantly favoring one racial group to the detriment of another.

people in favor of this want to literally institutionalize racism against white people. literally the exact same crime they want to prevent. the solution is just to institute it in reverse. chezlaw already admitted to this earlier in the thread. called it "positive discrimination," LOL, sounds like a moral solution.

if you've got another solution i'd be interested. this is the only one presented by the left other than saying "come on white people stop being so racist"

Ok, look, I know your side thinks they have the monopoly on those Top Kek Memes but our side is smarter and more creative so we have Dat Image Macro as well.

That said, when you see something like the image below, you do know people are just ****ing with you for the lulz, right?


08-14-2017 , 02:21 AM
these people literally did exactly that wat

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Originally Posted by wil318466
Only highly educated people understand the nuance of systemic racism. The highest educated are the politicians.

Let's put the dishwashers in charge. Switch it up.
08-14-2017 , 02:43 AM
oh




wow



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Originally Posted by wil318466
It's not even a question. The rest of your post is nonsense. Yeah, dude, that's what the SAT is for. Intelligence. It's an IQ test that...
08-14-2017 , 03:08 AM
There's really too much to unpack here.

I do like how he didn't include a link to the SAT story and instead included FOUR to the specialized NY HS story. Which is bizarre.

I mean, the entire conversation was about the SAT thing, and then wil does a mic drop with, "Read the ****ing articles. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?" And then links to a different story.

That's incredible. I can guess somebody who got a low non-math SAT score.

And all that's aside from him apparently not even knowing what the SAT is.

Also, the links actually support the the other side of his argument but, duh, we all knew that.

I wonder if wil would gain some empathy or sympathy if somebody said to him, either trolling or not, "So you're Asian, and you're pretty stupid. Using Logic And Reason, I can extrapolate that Asians are actually stupider that others and they need to study so hard to mask this inherent stupidity. Is that about right?"


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Originally Posted by wil318466
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gives you a snapshot of the kid in terms of ability, not economic background or cultural. Yeah, dude, that's how it ****ing works!

How do I know? Go look at the new York City high school placement test. The mayor wants to make it a more "wholistic" approach because Asians absolutely dominate the test. It's straight up racism. If it was black kids who dominated the testing I guarantee you it would be lauded as some sort of great progress.

This isn't hard. Read the ****ing articles. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.co...h-schools/amp/

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/2...h-schools.html

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/2...al-divide.html

https://www.economist.com/news/unite...-asians-beware

This doesn't have to do with minorities, because Asians ARE minorities! It's about black students ONLY.
08-14-2017 , 03:12 AM
I'll wrap up this 7-spot by simply saying, damn, the ghost of ToothSayer still haunts this forum.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
Lol, where are you getting this premise from? What would make you think a black or Hispanic kid would be more intelligent than my kid if they scored exactly the same?

Poor Asians crush rich blacks and Hispanics in admissions exams. Wtf are you even saying here.





This is mumbo jumbo. What you really want to say is you want to admit who you want based on your feelings. You care about outcome more than opportunity.
08-14-2017 , 03:24 AM
OH MERCY ME I LIED THIS IS NOW AN OCTOPOST

THIS DUDE WORSHIPS RICH WHITE PEOPLE AND IN THE END THEY STILL MIGHT NOT GIVE HIM HONORARY ARYAN STATUS HOLY ****


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Originally Posted by wil318466
It's a very different situation. Legacy spots are a privelge extended to a group of people due to family history. Like donations to a school, it can influence admissions. It is not race based, but timing based.

Your argument, like most, is flimsy.
08-14-2017 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
holy god you know nothing about how anything works
Well, augie doesn't seem to have served on a jury, so the right of peremptory challenge has passed him by.
08-14-2017 , 10:14 AM
Wil is correct. Asian and Jewish parents prioritize education and when it comes time for college they should be rewarded not penalized.
08-14-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
Wil is correct. Asian and Jewish parents prioritize education and when it comes time for college they should be rewarded not penalized.
see this is the crazytown thing. as dumb as wil is, and as outmatched as he is when engaging with halfway intelligent and aware ppl, there are a ton of ppl who are so idiotic that they actually look up to wil and think he is correct.

thats who this guy is. too dumb to actually arrive at his own conclusions, rather he listens to what ppl like wil says and actually thinks, hey that sounds pretty good to me.

completely irredeemable ppl.
08-14-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
see this is the crazytown thing. as dumb as wil is,
I'm far from dumb. I run circles around 90% of your idiot crew.

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and as outmatched as he is when engaging with halfway intelligent and aware ppl,
You are some of the dumbest people I've ever come across.

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there are a ton of ppl who are so idiotic that they actually look up to wil and think he is correct.
I don't encourage anyone looking up to me. I am, however, correct.
08-14-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by augie_
chezlaw, i just want to thank you for being honest. i seriously mean that, deeply. every other person interacting with me in this thread has been deceptive at best and an outright liar at worst. you, on the other hand, have the courage to write statements which you believe are true but could be viewed as unsavory.



this is the moral self-flagellation that an honest leftist must do to justify their positions.

i'm glad that you realize to justify reverse racism you must start with the presupposition that racism isn't inherently bad.

for me, and anyone i would consider moral, "racism is bad" is an axiom, and to me, it's very self evident.

i couldn't imagine justifying mistreating somebody simply because other members of their racial group who lived 100-200 years ago did some bad stuff.

that's a deeply immoral idea and moral relativism is also dangerous, especially for you. with so many jihadists running around your country, the rampant moral relativism might do you in.
I'm not starting from any presupposition about racism. My views on racism are a conclusion. It's fairly common to start from some sort of idea such as utilitarianism (I'm not one myself but it's still informs my views). Racism (the conventional kind) causes vast amounts of harm so is bad. If positive discrimination can reduce the overall harm, as I believe it currently can, then it can become a good thing.

That's a very simplified explanation but hopefully it gets the idea across.
08-14-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
see this is the crazytown thing. as dumb as wil is, and as outmatched as he is when engaging with halfway intelligent and aware ppl, there are a ton of ppl who are so idiotic that they actually look up to wil and think he is correct.

thats who this guy is. too dumb to actually arrive at his own conclusions, rather he listens to what ppl like wil says and actually thinks, hey that sounds pretty good to me.

completely irredeemable ppl.
What a shocker Victor is personally attacking. I guess I'd be a miserable person too if I had 56k posts on a message board
08-14-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
What a shocker Victor is personally attacking. I guess I'd be a miserable person too if I had 56k posts on a message board
You're a miserable person at any number of posts, so yeah.
08-14-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
What a shocker Victor is personally attacking. I guess I'd be a miserable person too if I had 56k posts on a message board
yes of course. see, at this point I think it iss proper to personally attack ppl with repugnant opinions who desire to oppress and deprive groups of ppl of their humanity.

as 13 said, you it doesnt get much more miserable than you already are.
08-14-2017 , 01:19 PM
FWIW you two have no right to call anyone miserable. Both of you are dildos.
08-14-2017 , 01:23 PM
This thread sure is some high level discussion.
08-14-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
FWIW you two have no right to call anyone miserable. Both of you are dildos.
wil I just tried to help you. you were spewing misinformation and making yourself appear stupid. so I linked an article to set you straight. you should be happy that I helped your understanding of the world.
08-14-2017 , 02:14 PM
I don't often hand out compliments to SJW's here but I have to say, Clovis makes you guys look like absolute geniuses. You deserve credit for stepping out of the safe space echo chamber to the point where your feeble arguments look brilliant in comparison

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Originally Posted by Victor
see this is the crazytown thing. as dumb as wil is, and as outmatched as he is when engaging with halfway intelligent and aware ppl, there are a ton of ppl who are so idiotic that they actually look up to wil and think he is correct.

thats who this guy is. too dumb to actually arrive at his own conclusions, rather he listens to what ppl like wil says and actually thinks, hey that sounds pretty good to me.

completely irredeemable ppl.
whats interesting is places like harvard racially discriminate as if wil is right. or they are just racist with the intent on harming asians. or, you know, asians are biologically different. take your pick sweetheart
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm not starting from any presupposition about racism. My views on racism are a conclusion. It's fairly common to start from some sort of idea such as utilitarianism (I'm not one myself but it's still informs my views). Racism (the conventional kind) causes vast amounts of harm so is bad. If positive discrimination can reduce the overall harm, as I believe it currently can, then it can become a good thing.

That's a very simplified explanation but hopefully it gets the idea across.
how would you implement this? what would be the expected consequences of implementing your plan? is this the point where you tuck, duck and run and then deny that you vanish when things get a bit more complicated?
08-14-2017 , 02:26 PM
juan valdez,


What are your thoughts on the terrorist attack that took place on Saturday?
08-14-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
juan valdez,


What are your thoughts on the terrorist attack that took place on Saturday?
to be expected. when you get people radically on the left or right, you're going to have problems. when one decides to show up where the others are, youre going to have bigger problems. when they show up with weapons, duh, obviously people are going to die. people die from getting punched and cracking their head on the pavement. in these protests people are throwing rocks, bricks, and explosives. theyre also stomping on each other. people will continue to die if these groups keep organizing situations to clash. if islamic terror keeps increasing, so will vans mowing down people outside mosques. things escalate. thats the point and value of free speech and dialogue, to solve problems without violence

90%+ of all protesters are ******ed tools. 99.9%+ in the case of far right or antifa
08-14-2017 , 02:34 PM
This guy is doing a public service:

08-14-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
to be expected. when you get people radically on the left or right, you're going to have problems. when one decides to show up where the others are, youre going to have bigger problems. when they show up with weapons, duh, obviously people are going to die. people die from getting punched and cracking their head on the pavement. in these protests people are throwing rocks, bricks, and explosives. theyre also stomping on each other. people will continue to die if these groups keep organizing situations to clash. if islamic terror keeps increasing, so will vans mowing down people outside mosques. things escalate. thats the point and value of free speech and dialogue, to solve problems without violence

90%+ of all protesters are ******ed tools. 99.9%+ in the case of far right or antifa
Trumpkins moral equivalence. Despicable.
08-14-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
whats interesting is places like harvard racially discriminate as if wil is right. or they are just racist with the intent on harming asians. or, you know, asians are biologically different. take your pick sweetheart
Man, for some reason you forgot to write "culturally different" and wrote "biologically different" instead. Either you ****ed up or autocorrect has properly anticipated your ****ty racist beliefs.

      
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