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Ross Ulbricht, Creator of Silk Road Website, Is Sentenced to Life in Prison Ross Ulbricht, Creator of Silk Road Website, Is Sentenced to Life in Prison

05-31-2015 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
Don't forget hitmen.
Don't forget that those charges weren't included in this ruling.
05-31-2015 , 03:40 PM
Seems like it was still used during the trial though.
05-31-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
Don't forget that those charges weren't included in this ruling.
I don't know anything about the trial, but I do not feel bad that the guy got life. His site didn't just sell drugs. There were weapons and hitman services sold too. That's worth a life sentence IMO.
05-31-2015 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
I don't know anything about the trial, but I do not feel bad that the guy got life. His site didn't just sell drugs. There were weapons and hitman services sold too. That's worth a life sentence IMO.
This is quite a strong opinion to hold, considering you know little about the case and, apparently, the site too.

Sentencing people based on unrelated charges sets a scary precedent.

Regarding the facilitation of trade via his website, do you still think the ruling is just? Why?
05-31-2015 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Seems like it was still used during the trial though.
He plans to appeal, methinks.

I hope he's successful.
05-31-2015 , 05:26 PM
The website served more than just the drug black market. What's the fine line between just operating a website and operating a website which proliferated crime trade?

Harsh sentence though.
05-31-2015 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
This is quite a strong opinion to hold, considering you know little about the case and, apparently, the site too.

Sentencing people based on unrelated charges sets a scary precedent.

Regarding the facilitation of trade via his website, do you still think the ruling is just? Why?
Are you telling me there weren't weapons or hitman services sold on the site? Because I remember reading an article where a journalist got access to the site. He he said there were weapons being sold on there. I also read about the hitman thing in another article. Is there a serious question that those activities were not being dealt on the site?
05-31-2015 , 08:50 PM
Here's a link about this, though this was not the one I read originally. http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-ca...nd-marketplace
05-31-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
Are you telling me there weren't weapons or hitman services sold on the site? Because I remember reading an article where a journalist got access to the site. He he said there were weapons being sold on there. I also read about the hitman thing in another article. Is there a serious question that those activities were not being dealt on the site?
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
Here's a link about this, though this was not the one I read originally. http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-ca...nd-marketplace
That article was written when Bitcoin was ~$5/BTC.

This article is slightly more recent:

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The Armory began as an offshoot of The Silk Road, notable as the Internet's foremost open drug bazaar, where anything from heroin and meth to Vicodin and pot can be picked out and purchased like a criminal Amazon.com. It's virtually impossible to trace, and entirely anonymous. But apparently guns were a little too hot for The Silk Road's admins, who broke the site off from the main narcotics carnival.
It's hard to find results that don't focus on Ulbrichts recent conviction.
05-31-2015 , 11:20 PM
This cannot be, Proph told me we lived in anarchy and Bitcoin would bring down the tyrannical government yet there is Ross, getting perma thrown into a cage. Surely Proph can't be wrong

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05-31-2015 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
That article was written when Bitcoin was ~$5/BTC.
What does that have to do with anything? Silk road was around then.
06-01-2015 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
What does that have to do with anything? Silk road was around then.
It's old.
06-01-2015 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
This cannot be, Proph told me we lived in anarchy and Bitcoin would bring down the tyrannical government yet there is Ross, getting perma thrown into a cage. Surely Proph can't be wrong
That's what he gets for conversing with federal agents!



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06-01-2015 , 12:22 AM
There are those sweet Utoobz we all know are your form of "higher education."
06-01-2015 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by WateryBoil

But for people who like to party more, im a firm believer in legalizing all drugs. It extinguishes the black market/gang control of drugs if its done correctly and sold by regulated stores at fair prices.
Do you think heroine should be sold in regular stores? From what age?
06-01-2015 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Proph
It's old.
Do you not understand that that is irrelevant? It was written about the Silk Road. That's all that matters.
06-01-2015 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jokerthief
Do you not understand that that is irrelevant? It was written about the Silk Road. That's all that matters.
Of course timing matters. Since they were working out bugs and busy revising the system in the early days of the website, circumventing preventative measures would have been much easier.

Now your reasons for being pleased with the verdict are becoming more clear. As long as Ross Ulbricht is incarcerated, it doesn't matter what the charges were. (He was a "bad guy," and "he deserved it"! :gasp: )

Except, the accusations regarding murder for hire are flimsy at best. (Similar to some of the charges levied against him concerning "criminal enterprise" and "hacking.")

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[...] On many of the posts I’ve seen, shared, or written myself, dissenters have replied that Ulbricht got such a harsh sentence not for facilitating drug sales, but for allegedly hiring assassins to “take out” people he needed gone, such as former employees or “snitches”. The oft-repeated claim is five or six ordered murders, and it’s a fast derail to any reasonable discussion to the benefits of Silk Road.

The problem with this claim is that it is simply not true. It is a lie. It is a character assassination without basis in fact.

Here’s a fact: he did not receive a life sentence in prison for ordering assassinations on anyone. He wasn’t convicted of that. I repeat: he has not been convicted of ordering ANY assassinations.

Here’s another fact: upon his arrest in October of 2013, six allegations of murder-for-hire were used to sensationalize the story. Fact: they were used as justification to deny him bail. And yet, when this current trial, with seven charges was brought, all allegations of murder-for-hire were mysteriously dropped. These six biggest crimes, the most abhorrent crimes, that he was publicly accused of: they were dropped.

There is one open indictment in Maryland alleging he ordered a murder. One murder. This was not attached to the rest of the trial, and seemed to serve, like the original six allegations, like a character attack in the media instead of actually going to trial and allowing the facts to be brought to light. Conjecture, rumor, lies — these are tools that don’t require such inconvenient legal standards as “innocent until proven guilty”. They don’t want these charges to face the scrutiny of a courtroom, or they would have brought them forward in this case.

Why wouldn’t the government bring forth the charges for the most terrible crimes of which he was accused? Because they had nothing to support them. This is a frequent tactic of government, used in many court situations to bolster a case that doesn’t have a strong enough one within the bounds of legal proceedings.

The often-referenced transcripts of Ulbricht allegedly ordering five murders have not been addressed by actual charges, and no evidence has been provided that the individual in those transcripts is in fact Ulbricht.

So no, Ross Ulbricht was not charged with, convicted of, or sentenced for murders-for-hire. He was charged, convicted and sentenced on the seven counts listed at the beginning of this article, and not one, nor all combined, justify a life in prison. [...]
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One more thing detractors bring up in their arguments against Ulbricht on social media is the claim that Silk Road enabled such activities as identity theft, stolen credit card number sales and more. The fact is that the site’s terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items, including child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, or weapons to any type. Claims otherwise are misinformed.

Last edited by Proph; 06-01-2015 at 12:44 PM.
06-01-2015 , 12:36 PM
06-01-2015 , 12:52 PM
Is Ulbrich an anarchist along the same lines as Chomsky?
06-01-2015 , 02:21 PM
That quote is pretty amazing from someone who tried to pay for like 6 murders or whatever.
06-01-2015 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
That quote is pretty amazing from someone who tried to pay for like 6 murders or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Proph
Except, the accusations regarding murder for hire are flimsy at best. (Similar to some of the charges levied against him concerning "criminal enterprise" and "hacking.")
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The often-referenced transcripts of Ulbricht allegedly ordering five murders have not been addressed by actual charges, and no evidence has been provided that the individual in those transcripts is in fact Ulbricht.

So no, Ross Ulbricht was not charged with, convicted of, or sentenced for murders-for-hire. He was charged, convicted and sentenced on the seven counts listed at the beginning of this article, and not one, nor all combined, justify a life in prison.

Speaking of his conviction, an appeal is necessary. Rampant corruption was revealed after his conviction: two federal agents were under investigation (before and during the trial) and have now been indicted for corruption: stealing and extorting funds from Silk Road, as well as other crimes. One of the agents (DEA agent Carl Mark Force) was the lead undercover agent in the case against Ulbricht, and had high-level access to administrative functions of the Silk Road, including the ability to manipulate logs, chats, private messages, posts, account information and bank accounts. The details can be found at this article and this page.

The defense learned of these investigation details only five weeks before trial, but it was sealed pending completion of the investigation – they could not refer to it at trial, nor delay the trial until the investigation was concluded.

These facts literally change everything. They render suspect every piece of government evidence, including the logs alleging Ulbricht ordered hits, including the money transfers, and more.
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06-01-2015 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
Do you think heroine should be sold in regular stores? From what age?
A ye ol' Heroine of Yore?


Clearly it would be once you are an adult you could purchase whatever you want from the regulated stores. Like an age restricted drug dealer, except you know, legal and taxed, not cut with rat poison, not going to get robbed or raided or just killed.
06-01-2015 , 03:39 PM
I encourage everybody to follow Proph's link for just as long as it takes the geocites assed layout of that site to hurt your eyes and make you consider his source.
06-01-2015 , 07:15 PM
lol proph thinks his posts are interesting and thought-provoking
06-01-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol proph thinks his posts are interesting and thought-provoking
More drivel.

      
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