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this is not meant to be a pro-conservative response but.... comparing all of the possible accomplishments of conservatives (in america) throughout history by only looking at the current bunch of *sshats in Congress isn't exactly objective or fair.

I have no reason to be fair to conservatives.

08-05-2013 , 06:05 PM

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Jeedz

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Originally Posted by Tien

Conservatives made absolutely sure Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction.

It came at a cost of a few hundred billion dollars and a lot of dead people.

Good job. Good effort.

A few billion dollars would be on the prix fix menu, the US did a la carte and estimates project that the eventual cost at the end 5-8 trillion total. I'm not even sure that amount of money physically exists. But yeah, they got Bin Laden and made Iraq a safe, democratic place (by S.C republican standards) so good value for money.

08-05-2013 , 06:49 PM

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aiminglow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tien

Conservatives made absolutely sure Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction.

It came at a cost of a few hundred billion dollars and a lot of dead people.

Good job. Good effort.

Yeah, and they started a war in Vietnam and nuked 100,000 civilians in Japan.

Spoiler:

08-05-2013 , 07:11 PM

#54

Tien

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Yes both republicans and democrats are horrible.

Whats new?

BTW, the republican Nixon took over the Vietnam war reigns and drank that koolaid like never before.

08-06-2013 , 01:29 AM

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Low Key

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Originally Posted by ZNGA ftw

They do a good job of keeping taxes at a reasonable level. I mean I know there probably isn't one person in the US who thinks the tax system is perfect - but if liberals had their way with no pushback from conservatives, we'd be paying like 80% in federal income tax to fund free watermelon and collard greens programs.

Last edited by Mat Sklansky; Yesterday at 09:50 AM. Reason: this brand of racist language gets you banned, even here.

Someone please remind me to send MS a valentine's day card

08-06-2013 , 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by daca

Before you can even talk of world reconstruction, or even of peace, you have got to eliminate Hitler, which means bringing into being a dynamic not necessarily the same as that of the Nazis, but probably quite as unacceptable to ‘enlightened’ and hedonistic people. What has kept England on its feet during the past year? In part, no doubt, some vague idea about a better future, but chiefly the atavistic emotion of patriotism, the ingrained feeling of the English-speaking peoples that they are superior to foreigners. For the last twenty years the main object of English left-wing intellectuals has been to break this feeling down, and if they had succeeded, we might be watching the S.S. men patrolling the London streets at this moment.

Similarly, why are the Russians fighting like tigers against the German invasion? In part, perhaps, for some half-remembered ideal of Utopian Socialism, but chiefly in defence of Holy Russia (the ‘sacred soil of the Fatherland’, etc. etc.), which Stalin has revived in an only slightly altered from. The energy that actually shapes the world springs from emotions — racial pride, leader-worship, religious belief, love of war — which liberal intellectuals mechanically write off as anachronisms, and which they have usually destroyed so completely in themselves as to have lost all power of action….

Just lol @ the mentality of someone that copy and pastes a George Orwell essay from 1941 without crediting the author, and thinks it's somehow relevant to 2013.

08-06-2013 , 07:32 AM

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Wakko

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Originally Posted by Low Key

Someone please remind me to send MS a valentine's day card

Seriously hoping it's a permanent

Spoiler:

08-06-2013 , 08:36 AM

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Wouldn't be better if PC wouldn't exsist at all and racist like ZNGA could say whatever they wanted IRL?
PC is just safe haven for all the racist and one of the biggest threats to our society. It should be banned by the law.
Imo people should be encoureged to say what they think no matter how bad it is.

08-06-2013 , 09:00 AM

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Gin 'n Tonic

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You're not from a minority then.

08-06-2013 , 09:07 AM

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PC doesn't do good to any minorities imo..... infact it makes things even worse for them.
People pretending that they will help or that they have nothing against you or somebody else, is a lot worse than people saying what they really think...

honesty and reality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fake people preteding that they care and that they don't hate a certain group of people

08-06-2013 , 09:08 AM

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Liberal produce very little real wealth for society. Flyover states > blue states.

butnahhhh

08-06-2013 , 10:05 AM

#62

kioshk

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Originally Posted by Tien

BTW, the republican Nixon took over the Vietnam war reigns and drank that koolaid like never before.

reins

Nixon brought our boys home. I suppose he did invade Cambodia first.

08-06-2013 , 10:07 AM

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Rich states vote disproportionately Democratic but rich people vote disproportionately Republican, c.f. Andrew Gelman.

08-06-2013 , 10:18 AM

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You're a complete half wit (wait, what) who fails to hold back his own bigoted idiocy often enough that we know how you feel. You don't have a ****ing clue what "PC" is- and as a result you just suggested that making an attempt to not use needlessly insulting language should be illegal.

Political correctness is not about limiting expression, it's about asking people to consider what they're saying, why they're saying it and the impact it has on other people. No freedoms are lost when somebody opts to use a gender neutral pronoun.

The only people for whom it limits expression are those people so muddleheaded and limited that they don't posses non-hateful ways to describe people unlike themselves. Those people are a complete negative for a society that moves forward in large part through dialog and attempts to build consensus.

08-06-2013 , 11:14 AM

#65

jmakin

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As long as calling people ******ed is still ok, i'm in.

08-06-2013 , 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeDiego

Just lol @ the mentality of someone that copy and pastes a George Orwell essay from 1941 without crediting the author, and thinks it's somehow relevant to 2013.

i thought it was funny :-/

Last edited by daca; 08-06-2013 at 12:10 PM. Reason: Orwell was the best. his essays are even better than his novels.

08-06-2013 , 12:34 PM

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No, language has power and the elimination from polite conversation of racist terms says much of our goals as a society that people be treated equally and without prejudice.

It's way easier to hate a group for which you have a contemptuous label, rather than be constantly reminded that, in fact, our similarities way outweigh our differences.

PC is a good thing - it helps us identify the unreconstructed racists and subject them to appropriate opprobrium, whilst removing the power that their words of hate hold for this and future generations.

08-06-2013 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeDiego

Just lol @ the mentality of someone that copy and pastes a George Orwell essay from 1941 without crediting the author, and thinks it's somehow relevant to 2013.

I had a feeling this was stolen... He posted it awfully fast.

But I was thinking it was more misguided than irrelevant.

08-06-2013 , 04:35 PM

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Low Key

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butnahhhh

I think by "real wealth" he meant "corn"

08-06-2013 , 04:45 PM

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and cows.

08-07-2013 , 02:10 AM

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so, just to review, so far we've got...

butthurt the hippies
"beat the Rooskies"
strengthening the MIC
deregulation
keep taxes in check
fight against the "fund (for) free watermelon and collard greens programs"
needed cynicism
uphold traditions and social norms
promote incentive
vetting reform ideas
found Saddam's WMDs
"exited" Vietnam (through Laos, Cambodia and Thailand)
maintaining the fight against progressive PC

seem right? ... anything I missed? got wrong? anything else to add? ... ... There's gotta be more we're all collectively forgetting.

If not, and that's the extent of it: Are our contingent of conservatives here proud of this list of accomplishments?

I'm thinking of creating some kind of counter thread. Maybe "what detriments has conservatism ever saddled on our country?"

Or, maybe just to be kind: "what has progressivism ever accomplished for our country?"

But I'll give it a few more days. ...

Last edited by JiggsCasey; 08-07-2013 at 02:25 AM.

08-07-2013 , 07:21 AM

#72

Bobito

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Originally Posted by ZNGA ftw

You're the ****ing racist if you assume 'free watermelons' has anything to do with race. Who doesn't like watermelons?

Better ask Sergio Garcia.

08-07-2013 , 07:24 AM

#73

Jeedz

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

so, just to review, so far we've got...

If not, and that's the extent of it: Are our contingent of conservatives here proud of this list of accomplishments?

These are the sorts of accomplishments you get rewarded for when you're 8. Like 'well done, you didn't wet the bed today' or 'good boy, you helped clean up' (by smashing a couple of plates and getting food everywhere).