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Old 03-11-2017, 12:26 PM   #3426
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I challenge this assertion.
Okay, you win, if the stock market goes up over Trump's presidency maybe it doesn't mean he did anything right! lol

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He is no longer employed there.
Yeah, no problem here, they fired him. And it's such an easy mistake, I mean, who here hasn't accidentally hired a white supremacist who's encouraged genocide before, amirite?
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:28 PM   #3427
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Trump Made Obamacare Great Again
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:48 PM   #3428
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Okay, you win, if the stock market goes up over Trump's presidency maybe it doesn't mean he did anything right! lol



Yeah, no problem here, they fired him. And it's such an easy mistake, I mean, who here hasn't accidentally hired a white supremacist who's encouraged genocide before, amirite?
Do you suppose if we took a little look into people hired in the Obama administration, we may have similar mistakes revealed to us?

There is no evidence this guy is a white supremacist. He sounds anti muslim. He is stupid for tweeting these beliefs. I have a feeling a lot more people than you think agree with him. This is why groups like ISIS need to be wiped out. Until then, moderate Muslims will be unjustly lumped in with the terrorists.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:57 PM   #3429
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Trump Made Obamacare Great Again
Do you really think Obamacare was ever great? Have you ever projected what would happen two years into the future if this bill wasn't replaced? What do you say to the people of Arizona whos premiums have gone up 100%. How about my brother who lost his doctor and now is paying 300 dollars more a month. How about my friend who had to pay a 600 dollar fine because he couldn't afford insurance. Have you looked at the cost to future generations?
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:00 PM   #3430
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So you're critical of him using results over an 8 year presidency as evidence of the quality of his decisions saying the results take a while to kick in, and then crediting trump with the performance of the market a couple months following the election. Sounds legit.

If trump clamps down on free trade that's one of the most anti business policies imaginable. Does that not count? Or are those inefficiencies acceptable because they help low skill workers? Seems like the exact same argument for min wage.




I'll even agree that trump would be better for the markets in some ways.... whether it's a good thing is a lot more complicated. Permitting the sale of cigarettes to children would boost gdp... not so sure it would be a great idea to allow cig vending machines in elementary schools.
what? no

thats definitely not what i think so i had to go back and reread what i wrote. what i wrote also makes this clear. not sure how you came to that conclusion

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https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3361

your response to his criticism of obamas anti business policy was a graph. a graph that you have zero ability to articulate the meaning of. when asked if you have any clue, you dance around the question. this is the same thing over and over. a complete failure to articulate complete thoughts or ideas

in just blindly arguing to be right you highlight my exact point and dont even realize it. yes the market has had a remarkable rally since trumps election. surely he hasn't impacted the economy this much since election night. even you understand this. the answer to my question is that it clearly shows that the stock market performance isnt directly tied to the presidents policies. this is true for 4 months or 8 years

if you can't articulate how or why other than "sample size" i highly recommend you adjust your confidence levels accordingly

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There is the saying that the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent. retail traders and subscription snake oil salesman have even trying to call a top in the market ever since we had a significant rally off the 08 bottom. There definitely has been some panic in the last few years where market looked like some major tankage was coming yet buyers always came in when it it would hit limit down.

Id rather be aggressive and take shots when something unexpected happens(brexit/trump election/trump pressing the red button). From a long term investment perspective, I'd be cautious at these levels and would want protection in case of downturn. Market is pricing in rate hike at next weeks fed meeting(93%) so will be interesting to see how market reacts.
yeah the market rally seems incredibly optimistic to the point where there could be a step back in the next week or two. it just seems that optimistic news keeps coming out to fuel the bulls. the market has been kind of heavy for a couple weeks but somehow trumps "presidential" speech gave the bulls a reason to buy and moved the market. then the positive jobs report. i think a rate hike will be a shift in focus from all the optimistic news and could shift things in this already "heavy" market. on the other hand, if they dont raise rates, bears like me could feel some pain for a while
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:08 PM   #3431
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For a republican-based idea, the ACA isn't that bad. Quality and excellent health coverage is a direction to want to go to take care of everyone's basic need for healthcare.

But now, while we dabble around folks capable of being led by 'genetic supremacists', how they gonna get health care correct while they can't even succeed at basic humanity? What happens when Icarus 45 and his republicans get one straw on a flying camel's back to close to the sun?
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:18 PM   #3432
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Do you really think Obamacare was ever great? Have you ever projected what would happen two years into the future if this bill wasn't replaced? What do you say to the people of Arizona whos premiums have gone up 100%. How about my brother who lost his doctor and now is paying 300 dollars more a month. How about my friend who had to pay a 600 dollar fine because he couldn't afford insurance. Have you looked at the cost to future generations?
There's an income-based exemption for the fine, so if your friend couldn't afford insurance, he should have at least tried to qualify for the exemption. Other than that I will say ACA hasn't been perfect, you are right, but it has done a lot of good including helping to tick down the deficit (which Democrats get zero credit for) as well as reducing the uninsured rate massively. One of the problems with ACA is that some markets are down to 1 insurer or just a handful, with a possibility of going down to 0 in an area that would be devastating.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ge-everywhere/
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When congressional candidates last hit the campaign trail in 2014, one word seemed to be at the top of the agenda for virtually every Republican: Obamacare. But that was before most of the law’s provisions took effect. Two years later, the health law seems to have faded as a campaign issue.

New data released this month might give a hint as to why: The uninsured rate — the share of the population without health insurance — dropped in every congressional district in the country between 2013 and 2015, according to the American Community Survey.

Unfortunately Republicare addresses none of the actual problems with ACA and instead only serves to make things much worse.
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:26 PM   #3433
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Yes, Obamacare is cutting the deficit
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Like the program itself, the reasons for the slowdown in Medicare spending are complicated. But a big part of it is — you guessed it — the Affordable Care Act. The ACA has found direct savings in Medicare with things like cuts to some provider payments. More importantly, it has tried to achieve longer-term savings through means like encouraging hospitals to reduce readmissions (where a patient gets treated and released, then winds up back in the hospital a week later) and rolling out payment systems that promote more holistic care instead of just piling on expensive tests and procedures. It also has provisions that probably haven’t reduced spending yet but likely will eventually, like spurring the shift to electronic records.

There is a transformation going on in American medicine, one that’s slow and sometimes painful. But it is happening, and that’s in no small part because of the ACA. Health care in America isn’t going to become dirt cheap, and Medicare will still make up a substantial part of the budget in coming years. But the situation isn’t nearly as bleak as people thought it would be just a few years ago. Medicare is still the biggest driver of future deficits, but the next time you hear a conservative say we have to “rein in entitlements,” you can remind them that nothing any president has done to achieve that goal has been nearly as effective as the reforms contained within the hated Obamacare.
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Old 03-11-2017, 03:42 PM   #3434
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Do you suppose if we took a little look into people hired in the Obama administration, we may have similar mistakes revealed to us?
Your excuse for Trump appointing someone who advocated for Muslim genocide is to suggest, without any citation, that maybe Obama did the same thing? LOL
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Old 03-11-2017, 06:58 PM   #3435
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Do you really think Obamacare was ever great? Have you ever projected what would happen two years into the future if this bill wasn't replaced? What do you say to the people of Arizona whos premiums have gone up 100%. How about my brother who lost his doctor and now is paying 300 dollars more a month. How about my friend who had to pay a 600 dollar fine because he couldn't afford insurance. Have you looked at the cost to future generations?
Be honest: how would things look for your brother and friend under the new proposed health care bill?

Also, anecdotal evidence can come from anyone and support any side about any thing.
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Old 03-11-2017, 07:30 PM   #3436
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77% of those polled pay their employees higher than MW. Why would he even poll companies that aren't that directly effected by the law?

Hold on this is really fascinating. So you are telling me small business owners that are already paying above MW to their employees want their competitors to pay their employees more so they have to raise their product prices. Wow. Thank you so much for uncovering this einbert.
Or maybe those business owners are more progressive, competent and ahead of the curve.

My family previously owned a decent size chain of discount grocery stores that primarily served rural and low income urban areas. So it would be easy just to pay minimum wage to everyone because of costs and competitions.

Me being wet behind the ears developed a proposal to increase our base pay structure well above minimum wage. My belief is it would create more loyal employees who didn't quit at the drop of the hate because minimum wage jobs become interchangeable to low end workers. Beyond that we appealed to a higher level of applicant besides the swarms of minimum wage applicants. Finally we found employees felt more proud and dedicated to their jobs and were much likely to stay on versus minimum wage mercenaries.

I was pretty young who I first offered up this dynamic and it was met with skepticism as we were a discount grocery change and cost controls were very important. Fortunately for me the plan was a huge sypuccess as part time and intriductory level turn over decreased dramatically. We also had the added benefit of creating career minded workers from their first job.
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Old 03-11-2017, 08:16 PM   #3437
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Or maybe those business owners are more progressive, competent and ahead of the curve.


Me being wet behind the ears developed a proposal to increase our base pay structure well above minimum wage. My belief is it would create more loyal employees who didn't quit at the drop of the hate because minimum wage jobs become interchangeable to low end workers. Beyond that we appealed to a higher level of applicant besides the swarms of minimum wage applicants. Finally we found employees felt more proud and dedicated to their jobs and were much likely to stay on versus minimum wage mercenaries.

I was pretty young who I first offered up this dynamic and it was met with skepticism as we were a discount grocery change and cost controls were very important. Fortunately for me the plan was a huge sypuccess as part time and intriductory level turn over decreased dramatically. We also had the added benefit of creating career minded workers from their first job.
^^^ This my wife is a HR Manager for a reasonable size company. The company's revenue is 500 million a year. She was saying the same exact thing when the company raised wages at the job for entry and lower level jobs. It brought better applicants and happier workers. Which led to better productivity.
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Old 03-11-2017, 09:11 PM   #3438
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The estimated number of people who would lose their insurance in each Congressional district under RepubliCare
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District Member Party Number of People Who Would Lose Their ACA Plan Through Repeal
AL-1 Bradley Byrne R 29,200
AL-2 Martha Roby R 20,600
AL-3 Michael Rogers R 21,000
AL-4 Robert Aderholt R 23,300
AL-5 Morris Brooks Jr. R 25,400
AL-6 Gary Palmer R 23,800
AL-7 Terri Sewell D 22,300
AK-1 Don Young R 18,000
AZ-1 Tom O'Halleran D 16,100
AZ-2 Martha McSally R 19,100
AZ-3 Raul Grijalva D 19,800
AZ-4 Paul Gosar R 20,700
AZ-5 Andy Biggs R 20,800
AZ-6 David Schweikert R 20,800
AZ-7 Ruben Gallego D 20,800
AZ-8 Trent Franks R 20,800
AZ-9 Kyrsten Sinema D 20,800
AR-1 Rick Crawford R 15,000
AR-2 French Hill R 16,000
AR-3 Steve Womack R 17,900
AR-4 Bruce Westerman R 14,500
CA-1 Doug LaMalfa R 24,900
CA-2 Jared Huffman D 26,800
CA-3 John Garamendi D 21,100
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:12 AM   #3439
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Bye Bharara.

Trump's got a lot of enemy-of-my-enemy calculus working for him. It might be the main basis for any cross appeal he has.
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:48 PM   #3440
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"We can't restore our civilization with someone else's babies"

JFC
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:09 PM   #3442
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21 hours since the last post, I guess Steve King being a virulent racist shut down the thread?

In other news, here's a story about the reaction in a Georgia town when a local woman puts up a "Historic Ku Klux Klan Meeting Hall" on her building sparking protests, counterprotests, and whatever you would say this is:

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The next morning, all of this was the topic of North Georgia talk radio, and the host was taking callers. A woman named Sharon was on the line.

“It’s not just fake news, it’s a fake agenda,” she began, and explained that the banner might have been part of an elaborate plot not only to create chaos in Dahlonega, but also to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump and ultimately, the nation.
The KKK: it's so hot right now!
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:22 PM   #3443
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Kellyanne is BACK on CNN and not doing a great job restoring anyone's faith on her credibility:

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In a series of morning show interviews, Conway, a counselor to Trump, did not cite any specific information to back the accusation. She said the White House wanted to see how investigations in Congress played out.

"I'm not in the job of having evidence. That's what investigations are for," she told CNN's "New Day."

She echoed that sentiment in a "Good Morning America" interview, saying she had "no evidence" to back Trump's claim and deferred to the findings of the congressional intelligence committees. On NBC's "Today," she said the White House did not want to comment on the issue more until it saw what lawmakers concluded.
"Not in the job of having evidence" is a pretty good description for the entirety of the Trump administration!
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:34 PM   #3444
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The truth we just don't want to admit: Americans are largely stupid, ignorant, selfish, racist, oppressive people.

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Old 03-13-2017, 02:38 PM   #3445
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You can definitely see this attitude on display constantly in P7.0:
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:48 PM   #3446
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I love me some Kellyanne in the morning.

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Old 03-13-2017, 03:51 PM   #3447
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Cousin Willard went to the big city once.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:24 PM   #3448
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Meanwhile, the Trump administration is trying to discredit the CBO before they even get a chance to make projections on Ryancare (though at the end, one admin official says it's gonna be a great score, just the best score).
Hey look what the CBO found about the Republican healthcare bill!

24 million would lose health insurance in the next ten years under Ryancare
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:28 PM   #3449
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And to pre-empt the "WAHHHHHH CBO SO BIASED/WRONG", here is what Donald Trump thinks about the group (its head was appointed by a Republican, btw):

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LIAR IN CHIEF

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