Then why are you suggesting a method that will put people in prison dumb****?
Because your solution is obviously worse than the problem.

So people having mandatory counseling and addiction assistance is worse than children being exposed to second hand smoke for 18 years of their life on a daily basis?

Jesus cock sucking christ you are one of the worst people ever. **** you

lol so you completely change your position after getting called out, and I suck. Awesome.

Not at all. People should face child endangerment for smoking in their home with children if the info about second hand smoke danger is true. For that, sentencing should include mandatory addiction and family counseling. Continued endangerment would lead to harsher penalties. 100% consistently what I said from the first post. Take your semantikes bull**** somewhere else, we've all seen it and we are all incredibly bored by it

OK so you're back to putting people in prison and losing custody of their children for smoking

lol ikes

IF studies show that yes, children who are subject to secondhand smoke due yearly at the rate that was listed in the study AND the person ignores or otherwise disobeys the court order to fix the problem, then yes.

Great, so you when you got all in a tiff about saying you wouldn't put kids in foster care and people in prison about smoking, you were.....

Well, being an idiot.

Conservatives for family values.

* Except when it comes to the safety, health, and education of children

Person 1: There should be a law saying parents have to feed their kids.

Ikes: So if a parent misses one meal, they should go to jail? YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Person 1: No. But if they consistently don't feed their kids there should be increasing penalties, possibly ending with jail time.

Ikes: LOL YOU WANT TO SEND PARENTS TO JAIL FOR FORGETTING TO SEND A LUNCH WITH THEIR KID TO SCHOOL.

It's always interesting to see who is a complete idiot towards me because it's me and who is capable of some sort of rational thought. This isn't anything close to what happened or what was proposed.

Ikes is right. You people are idiots.

Every day we see fat people making their kids fat. With the data we know about obesity and the health risks associated with it, you're pretty much putting them in an early grave.

It's the same thing, and both are lol stupid.

Ikes might be right about the subject. I don't really care.

It's how he characterizes master's position that is hilarious to me.

Yeah but that doesn't take away from him being right, at least in this particular case.

I disagree with most things he says but that doesn't mean you can just throw up ridiculous arguments against him because you dislike his positions.

I pretty much believe the govt should stay out of most things. Doesn't mean I can't understand where master is coming from. His position is absolutely not crazy.

Sure it does. Someone can be right and still be a moron for how they argue their position.

Right and I can be totally wrong here, but it doesn't mean I'm arguing illogically. Ikes has a history of mischaracterizing in order to suit his point which he totally did here

lol my characterization is dead ****ing on. Master started out with 'charge them with child endangerment'. That puts people in jail and they lose their kids. Master then said 'well, just put them in mandatory counseling.' What happens when some people don't go to their counseling? They get put in jail and lose their kids. What happens when someone can't kick their habit to one of the most addictive substances out there? They get put in jail and lose their kids.

Master started off with a completely unreasonable position and attempted to squirm out of it by claiming people could be punished for what is a felony in many places with probation only (which.... lol but let's accept that for argument's sake). Then he laid out probation terms that would almost certainly be broken by large proportions of the people with freshly minted criminal records. His stupid plan easily puts tens of thousands of parents in prison and kids in foster care.... at least. It's basically drug war tactics applied to cigarettes.

Then your dumb ****ing ass jumps in without familiarizing yourself with what is going on to take a shot at me. Let's not pretend you even read the arguments presented over two threads JJ and synthesized an actual position. You simply saw my screen name and went off #feelings and now you look like an idiot. Thanks though, it was fairly entertaining.

If smoking with children in the house was considered child endangerment, it would probably be prosecuted as a misdemeanor, with the likely punishment being probation and some form of counseling.

Regardless of why they have been ordered to go to some sort of mandatory counseling, if someone is told to go to counseling or face losing your kids and they fail to go to counseling, they probably deserve to lose their kids.

I couldn't care less about you or your screen name. I went off your exact posts in this thread. It's right there for everyone to see, so I'm pretty fine with letting other people judge who's the idiot here.

I've decided to take the step to finally ignore the pile of dishonest ass that is ikes. Any idea how to do this on a phone?

It's an issue of what the kids deserve isn't it?

Kids deserve parents who care enough to go to counseling.

Do you think kids deserve to be endangered by parents too selfish to try to fix a behavior that is hurting them?