Hm, I would contest that. But on the other hand I can see that you would not wan't to test that assumption.

Yeah, that must be it. Ok teach me the difference? Or are you just happy calling me out.

Swiss,

You know jack**** about physics, not bat****. Bat**** is just for bat**** crazy, like truthers.

I am too stupid to see how this is funny is my guess.

Damn.

We do. It's called evidence. These points you are defending we should at least listen to don't have any evidence backing them up. That's why you're getting these type of responses.


Err on what side of caution? There is no side of caution. One side has evidence. The other doesn't.



It's funny, that's exactly how Affleck responded, making himself look like a fool. No. *I* do not get to decide what arguments have merit. The general population decides what arguments seem to have merit and which don't. When you argue about alien abduction or Bigfoot or whatever else silly points people come up with they are met with a certain type of response. When people bring up talking points people can usually be able to filter out the complete nonsense with the things that may have a point. You obviously can't see the ones that are meritless. What you don't know about physics doesn't mean anything. It does not, however, enable you to make any argument you want about physics and then say "I'm not well educated in physics". This is the same thing as someone arguing about supply-side economics and then after a long and tired rant of baseless talking points they get to say "Well, I'm not an economist".

I'll give this to swissmiss, she's, stopped using, commas everywhere

- William Shatner

While I still refuse to read any of swissmiss's posts on principle (and won't even let Giz read them aloud to me, again, principle), I have to say the idea of using the old "I can't be a racist, I have black friends!" argument substituting nazis and dead family is just amazing.

It ranks up there with "I can't be sexist, I have a daughter!"

It's more like "I can't be racist, I'm black." then "I can't be racist, I have black friends!"

I don't think she's 70+ years old, so her family was probably lost before she was born. Still, she seems to be a bit older (maybe even older than me) and still close to the old country. I'm certainly inclined to give her some latitude on her family's history. Your post is just wrong. She's not a holocaust denier or an anti-semite just because she will tolerate their posts. I have no idea why you relish being judgemental. Ike's post, unless he's right and she's lying, is it's own little holocaust denial.

You must have missed the John bland episode. We get a lot of blatant liars around here who are suddenly afflicted by whatever they're discussing. It's almost suspicious.

I didn't see the John Bland episode and didn't know who that was until I just looked him up.

I know there have been plenty of fakes on 2p2. I didn't miss whathisname, dblbarrel or w/e. He had me faked out enough that I used him as a source for advice I gave to someone irl. If she's really a European Jew, it certainly wouldn't be a surprise if her family had lost a lot of people. My family mostly came from Romania and I'm sure lots of my grandparent's cousins were killed, but whatever people knew about it didn't get told to my generation.

swissmiss has bad posts on this page but they are not as bad as "lol you're lying about your dead family"

It may be suspicious to you but in given what swissmiss has said about her family, people with any decency at all should err heavily on the side of caution at least.

put swissmiss in the title already FFS

Holocaust denial is highly correlated with antisemitism and neonaziism, so it's worth not listening to the one person generally confused by the facts in order to avoid the 20 who are just pushing straight up hate speech.

Not sure why everyone is flying off the handle. 'Holocaust deniers and truthers should be allowed to post' is not an unreasonable position. Even if you disagree it's pretty lame to accuse her of lying about her family.

Seems like she's the target of the day and everyone piles on as usual.

It's not that. It's that she's also a Holocaust denier and a truther.

oh no people don't automatically believe someone on the internet when they play the 'i have black friends card' in response to their ****ty argument getting plastered? That's the real horror here.

There is a difference between debating something like the actual numbers in the holocaust to holocaust denial. From wikipedia the estimates seem to be from 6 million to 20 million, depending on which groups are included. Saying it was 7.35 million killed, end of story, seems ridiculous. People can disagree on exact numbers. This doesn't mean that people saying that only a few hundred thousand were killed isn't holocaust denial and their views should not be given credence.

One can criticize sections of the 9/11 report, but disagreeing with the conclusion that it was Al-Queda hijacking and flying commercial airplanes into the buildings is denying reality.

This is what they do. Lie about people and accuse them of being liars. swissmiss is just one of their latest targets. What's disgusting is a so-called "super mod", MrWookie leads the way in this abusive and dishonest behavior towards others and has for a long time now.

The stupid, sarcastic, childish "that's the real horror" game presupposes some true horror. What horror are you talking about? The bad posting horror?

You did not to plaster any arguments, but did join in taking some of the cheapest and least informative shots possible.

I didn't see her holocaust denying post. If that's true then I retract my statement.

The real horror is ikes continues to be the number one poster on a forum where everyone thinks he's awful.

It's not a lie spank. She's gone hard to the paint to push down the number of people who died in the holocaust from the official version.
Man, you use the word sarcastic in this post, but apparently don't know what that means. Get it together.