Why do you think it's cowardly to post on this topic behind a gimmick, like exactly what do you think happens if the poster posts under his usual name? Like what responsibility? In any case posting under a gimmick doesn't protect one, super mods and stuff can usually confirm who gimmicks belong to.

That's just a random shot chez you need to focus.

Oh and in case you're wondering whether I forgot who I was logged in as I only post here as dereds.

I'm pleased i was worth it.

I know you were all just having a good time. There's a reason I call you lot the kids in the playground.

because they made have played a part in the Bruce fiasco and when criticising what others do they should be happy to be associated with whatever their role was. Nothing to do with what mods think. That's quite a bizarre notion - it's just us kids having fun isn't it?

Why do you think they use a gimmick instead of their main screen name?

Who cares? You make it sound like there were lots and lots of people who played a material part in the Bruce debacle but there were really weren't. At every decision point Bruce had he made the choice that led him farther from being able to participate in 2+2. Nobody forced him to make the choices he made. That's all on Bruce.

To be fair to Bruce, he wanted to apologize and move on and some moron said not to do so.

I thought it was 100% my fault

Seriously I disagree btw, plenty of people have some responsibility for the fiasco. We are all responsible for what we did and have some responsibility for the consequences.

That's all in that past, lets just enjoying watching the kids do the same sort of thing again with no doubt the same bitterness and blaming others if it attracts more people into 'their corner' of 2+2.

Uhh, you're the one who branded the odious Bruce Z's mental meltdown a 'fiasco'. That word implies something bad happened. Nothing bad happened at all. To anyone. WTF BBQ ??

Sure, I'll take a minor kinda collective responsibility, I'd call it credit, for the good things that did happen. Like Teh Jabber-Wookie moving along.

Yes I made the point that you should all be willing to accept your responsibility as you believe you did a good thing. Not many have so well done.

Others will decide whether they think it was a good thing or not, it's just nice to see people taking ownership for what they do.

I believe I commented a couple of times on the horrible behavior of a 2+2 mod. I believe those comments had no impact on Bruce's behavior and played no part in his being demodded or leaving 2+2. Practically, nothing good came from his leaving; Spank went over the edge and ended up being an awful poster and CMP infected PU with several awful posters who have done nothing but degrade the forum.

Like I said, except for having you here full time, what's not to like?

It's complicated because there were mods involved, but in general there actually is a correct way handle being gratuitously called a racist here in Los Dos Politards. First, take it to Alta, not Baja. Second, ask the name caller to explain why he's calling you a racist. Quickly enough the name caller will make some objective claim. Then you just play the "citation needed" card on them.

I know this from experienced. I can find the thread where I did this, and the name caller ended up eating a temp ban.

Other people may judge it differently. As long as people take responsibility for what they do then I have no issue with them.

I see it a bit differently of course but we agree nothing good came from his leaving. Lots of bad happened because he used to help people tirelessly and added pretty much irreplaceable content.

I spent a lot of time trying to avoid that happening but there's no doubt I failed comprehensively - I'm still very happy that I tried. Despite what you think I pretty much drew a line under it in P/PU ages ago.

A temp ban is far less harmful than being called a racist, DUCY?

That's your view of the correct way. Then again maybe it wasn't correct for one mod to make a personal attack on another mod in the public forums so lets not get so high and mighty about what we think is correct.

We can recognise others have different views on what they think is correct.

Don't put words in my mouth. I was speaking from the point of view of PU. Bruce didn't post here before the brucepocolypse and I had never heard his name. 2+2 getting rid of such a character as Bruce is definitely a good thing, whatever maths help he provided is more than overshadowed by his inglorious exit. PU just happened to be the scene of the accident and got splashed by collateral damage. You should have chosen AFT to haunt instead of bringing your bull**** to PU.

Uh, you got the story wrong. The odious General Tsao gratuitously called me a racist, and the odious General Tsao was the one who ended up eating the temp ban.

So I guess I was far more 'harmed' than the odious General Tsao? Moving right along...

HARM (anonymous name calling on the interwebs) ==
HARM (a tempban) ==
zilch, zero, nada. DUCY?

Well, that's my explanation of a correct way. Another correct way is to just ignore it. What's not a correct way is abusing your mod powers, and acting out such that you get a temp-ban. None of this is a matter of opinion or 'view'.

As Teh Jabber-Wookie used to say, it's all there for anyone to see. There was no personal attack at all. That never happened.

Most of it wasn't in PU. From my point of view most of it wan't even in public but much of the public stuff was in ATF anyway.

Obviously we disagree about the rest.

This is, of course, solely Bruce's responsibility. He hasn't been banned and the owners of the site have stated he is welcome and encouraged to return. There are also plenty of places outside of twoplustwo where someone can help people with math homework.

But, alas, responsibility for thee, but not for SMP, the Cornelius Chezlaw life philosophy.

of course he is free to return and would be welcomed by those who actually know what he contributed. They know how silly your comment about maths homework is.

I have a great deal of respect for them and the way they run 2+2 but life isn't perfect. You can't allow the sort of hatred that goes on here and expect everyone to find it acceptable. Everything has consequences and sometimes they become a fiasco.

Other people may judge it differently. As long as people take responsibility for what they do then I have no issue with them.

well said mate

Right. So we agree. Bruce's posting or not posting is entirely on Bruce.

All Bruce's actions are entirely on Bruce just as all mine are on me and all yours are on you.

OK VG.

So the odious Bruce Z is solely responsible for flipping out, abusing his mod privileges, and running away with his tail between his legs. Mat Sklansky is solely responsible for demoding the fool. The clowns riding in the SMP clown are solely responsible for their parts in the LOLtastical "Field of Mods" year long whining campaign. Peeps like me are solely responsible for each of our own laughing and pointing at this whole success*. And all of us are responsible for our own parts in (a) not letting it go (b) continuing to laugh & point, (c) stir the pot.

* I think it's about time to rebrand Bruce incident. It wasn't a 'fiasco', it was the exact opposite. Google tells me the antonym of 'fiasco' is 'success'.

Anything that led to SMP showing up in PU can hardly be called a success...