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Originally Posted by dereds
This is not my experience of people discussing the concept of white privilege. Personally I have seen numerous attempts to explain the concept, how it is possible for a white person to be both disadvantaged economically and recipients of white privilege with those that oppose them attempting to reduce the arguments to white privilege being somehow equivalent to economic success then denouncing the concept because not all white people are economically successful.
But imo wealth is the biggest privilege anyone of any race will have. Compare a black wealthy collage student to a white person in a trailer park. Who do you think will live longer? Has a bigger chance of being a drug addict ? Is more likely to commit suicide? Is more likely to have mental health problems? These micro aggression's that these people consider racist pale into comparison to a person of any race born into poverty.
And how much racism do you think a collage student is going to experience in amoungst a mostly middle class populous with some of the most liberal people in the country? So progressive they have actually become regressive but iv covered that already.
I have sympathy for their cause of course but think that if they weren't so militant about privilege their message would be better received and less divisive.
Coming from a city where in some areas the life expectancy is less 60 in some areas it makes me frustrated to see these middle class kids parade around these opulent looking campuses like the whole world is against them.
When in fact the vast vast majority of people are in fact not racist.
Iv seen too many cases now of the concept of privilege being used in a dangerous and irresponsible manner that has resulted in bitterness and anger. I dont believe it is helpful.
I have seen a few liberal black people getting really angry at the hypocrisy of BLM and at also being patronized by super liberal whites.
I do think that that history has a major part to play in why blacks are getting a raw deal today in the US.
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Originally Posted by dereds
Now clearly there are bad arguments made by supporters of both sides in many discussions but you seem only to be focused on the worst of the arguments of those you disagree with and I think you do better to tackle the best.
What sides do you mean? SJWS anti SJWs? Anti SJWs could be anyone from me, a liberal Bernie Sanders supporter to an alt right race separatist. The thing is these bad arguments are coming from BLM leaders and collage kids , people that should know better and as such I hold them to a higher standard than I would some racist member of the alt right. They have almost stooped down to their level.
The bad arguments on the SJW side are from the "mainstream " and from some of their leaders. so to speak. They have a good degree of power and influence whereas the bad arguments im seeing on the anti SJW side are from alt right goons who are very much still a fringe group. They dont have as much power.
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Originally Posted by dereds
Ftr I didn't watch the video I did read the article and I don't know the reasons for the decision so won't take a strong view on the rightness of it. What I will say is from the comfort of my armchair the organisers shouldn't really give a **** what I think especially given that I'm not familiar enough with the reasons to evaluate them.
I mean when I watch that video I dont see an articulate thoughtful person. I see a bitter hate filled unintelligent one who is exerting power just because she can. I dont trust people like this to lead a civil rights movement I think they will just drum up more hate and division. And this is not a one off .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-murder.html
Another hate filled rant not just from some lunatic from the fringes , but one of their leaders. They are hate filled unintelligent people not responsible enough to lead a civil rights movement which is why we have seen an increase in racial tensions. BLM really needs to police their organization better if they ever want to succeed and to be taken seriously they will be destined to fail with people like this at the helm. Scary thing is that she a teacher, in charge of not just leading BLM but also teaching the next generation of kids.