Ya.... he's a ****ing baller....

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

lol u

Wow. He me memorized the law and created nothing.

Cain's resume still makes Obama look like a ******ed school girl.

Nein, nine, nine

Cain much blacker. FWIW

Hope he runs again.

Fly isn't a bad guy at all. If you read enough of his posts you can understand his viewpoint. The issue is that after a while you get tired of refuting the same talking points over and over and frustration can drive people to get personal.

Forget personal. It's useless in these settings. It's easy to get to the point of calling someone stupid or ******ed or whatever. There are points to discuss and debate, and at the end of the day that's all there really is. Most people will not change their views even with hard data right in their faces.

Don't let the arguments change your perspective. There are plenty of good conservative people, and plenty of good liberal people. In fact, some of the people I get along with the best are politically to the right. I agree mostly with the left, but sometimes they bore the **** out of me.

Seems to me that champstone got bumped out of his English 101 class and blamed it on affirmative action and has never recovered. But then again I was also omitted from Harvard, so what do I know.

Go read a Con Law textbook and then explain it to all of us succinctly and clearly.

Let's do this in order... Of all the people criticizing Obama you could run to defend your choice is very odd. Champstone is clearly an illiterate idiot. When you can understand his allegations, they are simply unfounded, unproven statements. Most of his post is illegible. Its like you're defending a homeless person who makes rambling non-sequitors. I'll break it down:

unproven assertions (which yes, is racist):
Unless he can has some insight into the admissions process he cannot state affirmatively that he didn't get in on the merits of his academic performance. And the other thing to consider, if you know anything about post graduate admissions, is that your grades become less relevent as what you've been doing. If one researched (which clearly Champstone can't be bothered) they'd know that he didn't go to Harvard until 5 years after he graduated Columbia. In between he (from wikipedia):

Believe me, if one lists the above when applying for Grad School that's going to be more relevent then their academic record.

Furthermore, people who can't hack it academically don't graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. PERIOD.

So again - we're left with a pretty safe assumption that Champstone not only doesn't know what he's talking about but that he's assuming he benefited from affirmative action simply because he's black. He's clearly being a racist.

Let's keep going.

Again - nothing of substance here. Nothing but his opinion. This is meaningless.

There is nothing of substance here. Not to mention its a barely intelligible run on sentence. There is no real world example of anything Obama has done referenced here. And things like his "hate for the American way" is meaningless jingoism. Every person can have different ideas of what "the American Way" is and he hasn't made any case for this. Not only have we not defined the "american way" he hasn't shown that Obama hates it. This is just mindless partisan BS.

Let's keep going:
Again- No one other then partisan rubes believe he hates the country. And he hasn't remotely tried to prove the case. Again- this is the kind of empty jingoism that the WORST partisan hucksters on both sides say. Its just an assertion that sounds like something that isn't proven in any way. The "pen and a phone" line is like the random thoughts of a crazy person. It makes no sense. And his work experience post college is a very strong argument that he's wrong that he couldn't run a small company.

This is more partisan BS. By what measure are we being run straight into the ground? Here's a graph of the economic recovery. Point to the part where we're being driven into the ground.


So the ENTIRETY of champstone's post is not only written like a drunk homeless person, what is intelligible is fact free and erroneous dribble. I don't see what part of what he wrote you thought seemed sensible? The part about Obama using a pen and a phone?

Your language is odd. The only thing above that is substative and measurable is whether or not any of his policies are actually his. Please note- I would argue the majority of policies that president's pass are actually developed by others. They pick to lead ideas generally started by others. President Obama's goal was to try to improve public healthcare. That doesn't mean he has to actually craft the plan from scratch and ignore other methods that have been tested. If you want to criticize the policies he's advocated that's fine. But saying that he's used others methods isn't really a valid criticism. And it certainly doesn't make him a "street agitator" or a "whore."

Um... I defer to what Chicago Law School says he was. I checked the school's site on this years ago and they officially declared that he was a professor. And psst.... big secret for you -most college professors lecture. That's primarily what most of them do. You'll excuse me if I take the school at their word as his employer for 12 years that he was a professor then the random ramblings of people on the internet.

I addressed this above. There is literally no substance in his post.

Again, where is this proven? And let's pretend that it was... if he got into school with the aid of affirmative action - doesn't the fact that he graduated Magna Cum Laude show that he was completely qualified to be there academically? Look at his career afterwards? Stellar. If Obama benefited from AA, his performance would indicate that he's a poster child for why AA is a meaningful program.

Yes... this is what you call a 'street agitator':
-immediately worked post grad at Business International Corporation and the New York Public Interest Research Group
-Chicago as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale on Chicago's South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.
-Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.
-Returned to Law school - end of the first year became the Editor of the Harvard Law Review
-During his summers he served as an associate at two law firms.
-Graduates Harvard Law magna cum laude. (which I believe is top 10%)
-contracted to write a book
-Taught at University of Chicago Law school for 12 years
-Obama directed Illinois's Project Vote, a voter registration campaign with ten staffers and seven hundred volunteer registrars; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be
-In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 13-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
-1994 to 2002, Obama served on the boards of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund the Developing Communities Project; and of the Joyce Foundation.[31] He served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999.
-elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from Illinois's 13th District
-Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee

There's actually more but its tiring cutting and pasting facts for people who clearly don't know what they're talking about and are too lazy to do research. If you think the above is an empty resume that just describes "a street agitator" then you'll get respect from absolutely no one except champstone. It just makes you look ignorant.

If you wish to show how all the above is wrong please do so with some actual content and not just baseless allegations.

Holy ****

Thanks Obama

Obama graduated with honors from Harvard law and taught at UC. You are a universally declared dumb guy on a random forum. U mad bro?

Come on dessin. You don't usually talk like this. The personal attacks can be avoided, no?

Kudos on an excellent and mind-bogglingly thorough post. I honestly wish I had the time and expertise to contribute at this level. But I must correct this one thing... from NPR:

By the way - I noticed on review that the graph I had found (showed global economic recovery with different lines for different countries with the United States' steadily increasing GDP)

I want to know by what metric Silverman is saying that Obama is driving the US into the ground. We can show with graphs from various sources that:
GDP is up and rising steadily
Corporate profits are at a record high
private sector jobs have been steadily gaining

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j...91183358818217

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j...91183358818217

Matter of fact, most critical of Obama don't deny that we're in a recovery - they usually just complain that we're not recovering fast enough. "Sure, things are getting better - we just think they should get better faster."

So I'm looking for clarification on how he's driving us into the ground.

Thank you for that. I see now that it wasn't a non-sequitor but a reference to something he said.

That being said, it doesn't make his statement any more substantive. Its still a bunch of merit free allegations incorporating an expression that Obama uses.

Thanks again for pointing that out.

PAGING SILVERMAN. I made you a lengthy reply going point by point against your post and what you were defending. I'm still curious of your response.

Who had to work harder in order to become president. Obama, or George W Bush?

You do remember Obama is black, right?

Herman Cain

Everyone has their breaking point.

This forum is made for personal attacks and everything I said is true.