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no. i just happened to remember other discussions/articles on these topics and it's weird to portray gayness as being pure biology when you claim everything else to be a societal product. i wasn't quoting anyone in this thread.

01-21-2014 , 05:47 PM

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Okay, can you cite any regular from these other discussions on 2+2 who said homosexuality is 100% based on genetics? If not, then there's not much to discuss (so long as you believe there is, in fact, a genetic component at play).

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01-21-2014 , 05:49 PM

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Can you not go back and read it?

I said there's a strong genetic component. You go and link some articles that say there's a strong genetic component.

If your intent is to continually own yourself itt, you're doing a great job of it. I'm expecting the cwocwoc insane circle argument of madness to begin any second now.

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A new study of Swedish twins reinforces earlier findings that environmental influences--including the environment in the womb--may play a greater role than genes.

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One thing is definitely for sure: at no point does any individual "decide" to be homosexual.

so do some people become gay because of their surroundings? you don't need to be a dick about it, i don't have a horse in this race. like i said, gayness is not a moral issue and they should have the same marriage rights etc.

01-21-2014 , 05:57 PM

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Okay, can you cite any regular from these other discussions on 2+2 who said homosexuality is 100% biological?

the guy who said nobody decides to be gay. sounded like biology is destiny to me. did he mean something else? i don't know.

01-21-2014 , 05:58 PM

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so every single gay in the history of the world had their fate decided before they were even born? both men and women?

leave 100 straight men on a desert island for 10 years. do you think none of them would start a consensual gay relationship?

and in the end why does it matter if ''gayness'' is biological or not? it's still nobody's business but the individuals' involved. it's not a moral issue.

This is an interesting post. If folks who believe being gay is a choice, can explain to others that their not against gays, as in they will not beat up gays or harass them, who cares about certain views folks have toward homosexuality, so long as its not violent or aggressive. Even in the USA we see people who think gays are insulting, I for one cant be the one to judge. I would not report a gay couple being overtly provocative, for instance.

In addition, I don't see a need for a gay or straight couple to flaunt themselves(sexually) in public.

01-21-2014 , 05:59 PM

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So you're taking one word from one sentence of that entire article and forming your entire argument around it, cool.

It's theorized environment has something to do with being gay. They don't know how or why - but you've constructed this false dichotomy and interpreted that to mean that there are some individuals that wake up one day and make a conscious decision that they're going to be attracted to the same sex. This doesn't happen. Environment/upbringing being an influencing factor in an individual's sexuality has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with choice. I'm not really sure how you're even coming to that conclusion.

01-21-2014 , 06:01 PM

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the guy who said nobody decides to be gay. sounded like biology is destiny to me. did he mean something else? i don't know.

You're conflating 'biology' with 'genetics'. Whether or not we choose sexual preferences (we don't, but for argument's sake) it would still be 'biology'.

01-21-2014 , 06:04 PM

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leave 100 straight men on a desert island for 10 years. do you think none of them would start a consensual gay relationship? it happens all the time in jail or any isolated male only environment. maybe there's a pretty wide spectrum and in the right circumstances it goes... click.

01-21-2014 , 06:07 PM

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Deciding to start a consensual gay relationship doesn't necessarily mean that person is homosexual. Being homosexual relates to being attracted to one's own sex, while starting up a consensual gay relationship (in your hypothetical) may just mean they're making the best of a bad situation. Similarly, real world examples show that homosexuals sometimes have heterosexual relations for fear of reprisal.

01-21-2014 , 06:07 PM

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You're conflating 'biology' with 'genetics'. Whether or not we choose sexual preferences (we don't, but for argument's sake) it would still be 'biology'.

what is the problem with a spectrum or people just being gay by choice? would biology/genes mean absolution in the eyes of the religious crowd and the nay sayers? and would that even matter?

01-21-2014 , 06:12 PM

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what is the problem with a spectrum or people just being gay by choice?

The problem is that it's not, you know, true.

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would biology/genes mean absolution in the eyes of the religious crowd and the nay sayers? and would that even matter?

Again, I'm not sure it means much. It's just a response to those who claim it's unnatural.

01-21-2014 , 06:14 PM

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Deciding to start a consensual gay relationship doesn't mean that person is homosexual. Being homosexual relates to being attracted to one's own sex, while starting up a consensual gay relationship (in your hypothetical) may just mean they're making the best of a bad situation.

maybe one single guy from all those poor unfortunate who had to turn gay as a straight man out of ''necessity'' went on to be attracted to other men after his ''experience'', even though women were available. and what about women? their sexuality is much more fluid and many can flip it like a switch.

01-21-2014 , 06:15 PM

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This thread is gay.

01-21-2014 , 06:15 PM

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The problem is that it's not, you know, true.

so iyo the spectrum is as simple as straight-bi-gay with nothing in between?

01-21-2014 , 06:16 PM

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so iyo the spectrum is as simple as straight-bi-gay with nothing in between?

Sexual attraction is not binary; this isn't some great mystery: Kinsey scale

01-21-2014 , 06:27 PM

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so what did you actually say then? this time please formulate a non-semitroll, more than one sentence post.

he has done this to me 3 times in one of my recent threads, even when i extend positive messages to the guy

01-21-2014 , 06:32 PM

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Sexual attraction is not binary; this isn't some great mystery: Kinsey scale

all i'm saying is human sexuality is one of the biggest conundrums out there and some random thread on PU is not gonna give us the definitive answers on something that even the most brilliant minds in history couldn't figure out in hundreds of years.

01-21-2014 , 06:35 PM

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he has done this to me 3 times in one of my recent threads, even when i extend positive messages to the guy

what can you do? it's the internet. one day at a time.

01-21-2014 , 06:35 PM

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necrophilia is also natural by that definition, since it has been observed in non-human animals. i was talking about anything that doesn't contribute to the continuation of the species.

Just to nitpick your argument. In animals under circumstances of limited food supply and overpopulation an increase in homosexual behaviour would, in fact, contribute to the continuation of the species by limiting reproduction. This has been shown to happen in rat populations to some extent.

01-21-2014 , 06:48 PM

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Again, it's no big mystery/conundrum. The fact that you think it is means you have a long way to go on this subject (this goes double if you are, in fact, cwocwoc).

01-21-2014 , 06:53 PM

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This thread is gay.

By choice, obviously.

01-21-2014 , 11:08 PM

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How is it that this guy keeps switched how he spells Nigerian?

01-21-2014 , 11:21 PM

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Geez that's awful tolerant of the good doctor not to promote outright physical violence against homosexuals.

If you think this is interesting, probably time to spend less time trying to bring the tragically deceased back from the dead and a little more time thinking about how you treat the living.

01-21-2014 , 11:38 PM

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but you know, anything's possible if you just wish it hard enough pray.

01-21-2014 , 11:55 PM

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You know whats even more interesting, that fact that we are discussing a Nigerian doctor and his views toward how gays should be treated in Nigeria. The doctor presents a much better view then the extremists who want to attack gays.

This is Nigeria my friend, the fact we have a Nigerien doctor presenting this viewpoint is a step forward.

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