Dude, by now it's endlessly clear that he has absolutely no clue what mandated reporting is. Like, no clue what it's intended purpose is, how it works, why it works, what problems it solves, etc etc etc. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Just point and laugh as he spews ignorance. It's fun! This sub forum might not be good for much, but pointing and laughing at Fly while he drowns is definitely a valuable way to spend some time.

You seem to think mandated reporting means that cops arrest people based on hearsay..... so yeah you should probably shut the **** up about now.

It's far from obvious that there will be a significant number of women who will fall into the "not willing to go to the police yourself, but you'd cooperate with them if they came to you" category. I'd like to see some evidence to back up the theory that it's a significant number of cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_effect_(psychology)

LOL the endless skepticism here. A dude said "mandated reporting is good", so now the burden is on everyone else to disprove all potential meanings of that prhase? Get the **** out of here.

Brian- You didn't answer my question. I know you aren't DIB and you can form your opinion independently. I'm asking what conclusions can you draw from the response you're receiving.

He already answered your who/what/where question.

The status quo is bad. Therefore we talk about alternatives, even if "mandated reporting" isn't the most accurate label for everything being discussed.

What does this have to with "potential meanings of that phrase?" I don't really care what someone else said. It seems pretty clear (well, as clear as you ever get) that you think that mandated reporting won't work because you need the victim to cooperate. I'm saying it's not unreasonable to think they will.

Nich, Asian- I realize this worldview is 180 degrees your own and this gap is unbridgeable, but I have this weird little thing about where I advocate KNOWING WHAT THE **** YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Your ignorant ramblings are not entitled to agreement!

Seriously it's just relentlessly implausible that you guys even went to college. The issue with campus rape is not, not that women are telling campus review boards but not the police in cases where an arrest could be made. You're retrofitting the problem to fit your solution in a pathetic self-esteem building exercise. Brian appears, transparently, to have built this entirely about like a half-heared 60 minutes piece about domestic violence "pressing charges" or whatever! N

I'm sorry I swear on the internet and hurt the feelings of the aggressively stupid, but Jesus Christ.

DIB, post your ****ing email from RAINN you rape apologist piece of ****.

lol do you still think mandated reporting results in arrests based on 3rd party hearsay?

There are multiple issues with campus rape.

One significant and well-documented issue is that some school administrations are mishandling accusations of sexual assault.

Here is one example from Brown:

Given the dozens of schools under investigation by Department of Education, this seems to be problem that is not confined to a couple of schools.

Fly, do you have any opinions on how to fix this problem or do you only care about whether it can be used to hit DIB over the head? Or are you denying this is a problem with such vehemence that one might suspect you of working in a college administration, perhaps even at a school under investigation, and possibly in a role that deals with allegations of sexual assault?

That was Trolly, you ****ing moron, and you don't understand his point.

AsianNit- You can't flip this **** on me, dude. Of course I oppose colleges covering up rapes or discouraging victims, that's a big problem that, as that article notes, is already against the law. Colleges violating Title IX and the Clery Act is bad and should stop. The DOJ and private lawsuits are in the process of improving that situation, thankfully.

I honestly don't think you understand what's being discussed, basically. That's not just me being a dick and trying to insult you, it's a legitimate criticism of your input.

Mandated reporting is not just passing along reports to a different level of bureaucracy! Mandated reporting is putting criminal penalties for people who have a reasonable suspicion(well, again, the actual standard proposed by DIB and Brian isn't specified, that's me doing their job and fleshing out their proposal for them) and don't make a certain report.

There's this SMP groupthink that actual subject matter expertise is a myth and all discussions are just contests to see who can fake it most convincingly. That's not how this **** works, kid. You guys wandered out of the shortbus forum to PU in defense of Dear Leader and, for God only knows why, decided to stick around. I'm under no obligation to humor Brian about his ****ing nonsense.

I prefer Brian to Brain.

I would fully support the SARC program being rolled out for schools. It is important to note that SARCs are required to let commanding officers know that someone has made an anonymous report of a sexual assault. If the SARC for the school were required to inform the public that an anonymous report had been made, it would serve as warning to the students.

A victim having their hand held throughout the process by a SARC would increase the likelihood that they would comply with a formal investigation. You might not need mandated reporting if you can greatly increase the number of victims being walked through the process of filing charges.

No one is collecting data on how often victims are going to school employees. Currently, employees (outside of those who are required to maintain confidentiality - mental and physical health workers) are allowed to either go to the cops or not go to the cops at their discretion.

One big reason to make everyone (including mental and physical health workers) mandatory reporters is because rape is often not a singular event even when it is for the victim. Sexual predators are an ongoing threat to the community. Given that approximately 25% of female college students are sexually assaulted, we are talking about an epidemic.

It isn't just "we need to offer support to Sally because she was raped." There is a very large "we need to stop Bob from raping more women."

The more cases that are made public, the less self-blame and shame victims will feel. They also won't feel as much like they are in strange territory if they know other victims have survived talking to the police. I would expect there to be an increase in reporting over time.

The mandated reporting is to law enforcement. It doesn't directly address people who have broken school rules going to a different school.

Which responses? Generally, I consider any negative responses from you to be an indication that I must be correct.

Seriously mandated reporting is to protect people who literally can't report their victimization because their abusers are their guardians or caregivers. That is not the case with college sexual assault. Stop being mindless contrarians, or, at the very least, maybe consider kneejerking against someone other than your ****ing betters. What sort of person sees Wookie, Trolly, and me lined up against DIB and thinks, "hmm, I know who I'd put my money on here? The dishonest moron!"

This entire thread is just a sad little smokescreen for DIB's godawful immunity from discipline plan. For ****'s sake.

See? Seems like I nailed this **** from the word go.

And your fourth tier law school bitch ass with a maximal level of employment as reducing penalties for drunk driving bolded that section approvingly. I understood the point you and him were trying to make, it was simply predicated on a misunderstanding of what mandated reporting is. You don't get to talk down to other people's understanding of this subject matter.

Yep. That is exactly what happened. You said something that I didn't say:

Additionally, in these kinds of cases there's often physical evidence that investigators can uncover. Like, evidence that you can build an actual case on instead of ceremonially arresting a suspect for a day. There's also no need to worry about the chilling effect of stopping the victims from talking to counselors.

Honest to blog, I think he's semantiking over the fact that I should have said second-hand hearsay, and not third-hand hearsay.

When will you just admit you're out of your depth? That you have no practical experience nor relevant education pertaining to the topic at hand? That 100% of your involvement ITT is motivated by a desire to win at the internet versus me?

Mandated reporting is not "...to protect people who (dude)literally can't report their victimization because their abusers are their guardians or caregivers." While sometimes the victims are abused by guardians/caregivers, this doesn't "literally" prevent them from reporting. Victims are not helpless. They occasionally will seek support independently, will make cries for help to those they trust, or will initially resist involvement of others only to later come to the decision that help is desired.

Mandated reporting is about identifying a particularly vulnerable group and ensuring that professionals who are in contact with them are compelled to involve the authorities when abuse/neglect is suspected. That's what mandated reporting is for. It's about recognizing the severity of the problem itself, and then taking steps to keep vulnerable parties safe.

If you think it's too big a stretch to see young women in college as a vulnerable group (1/4 to be sexually assaulted prior to graduating...) then you might as well just **** off and go back to hunting racists and those w/ mental health issues. There's nothing left for you here.

I honestly don't think you understand what is being discussed. There are more things worth discussing than whether DIB knows what mandated reporting is. If we stipulate that DIB is proposing ideas that don't fit the definition of "mandated reporting", then we should ask a) what the correct label is that DIB should be using for his ideas and b) if those mislabeled ideas are worth considering. But instead, you keep trying to bring it back to "DIB doesn't know what mandated reporting is". You're like #TeamBruce trying to bring it back to Mexicans/cockroaches and ignoring everything else because you are fixated on trying to prove a single point to the exclusion of the rest of the conversation.