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05-12-2014 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Yet, you can't even explain the how, where, when, why or who of the alleged indoctrination.

The best part if how patently and obviously weak it is and how it discredits whatever beliefs you have that you find important to come here and share.

So really, if you keep slandering and defaming me as indoctrinated it simply reflects directly back up on you. So keep it up!

cliffs: Your posting is all balls and no cock.
You think it's okay to hurt people and take their stuff.

That is a stupid, and dangerous, notion to support.

You don't see the problem, even after having it explained to you multiple times by various people.

You're not indoctrinated, at all!
05-12-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Your posting is all balls and no cock.
Qoute of the year?
05-12-2014 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
Right, exactly the same as being mugged. You are entirely free to not give a mugger your wallet. There will likely be consequences at some time (probably very soon!), but that choice is yours.
You are still an idiot.
05-12-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You are still an idiot.
No, you.
05-12-2014 , 07:19 PM
so, I miss anything?
05-12-2014 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
I'm not sure you even know what that word means.

That's exactly what you were trying to do.

Why don't you understand that there will be competition, and why do you assume this competition is bad? Because of funding?

Jesus.

We went over this days ago.
You forgot to tell him that you didn't really mean Government in the way that regular people use the word. Why don't you define what you are actually meaning when you use the word government in lib land?
05-12-2014 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
You think it's okay to hurt people and take their stuff.

That is a stupid, and dangerous, notion to support.

You don't see the problem, even after having it explained to you multiple times by various people.

You're not indoctrinated, at all!
Taxation isn't theft
05-12-2014 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Taxation isn't theft
Regardless of how often you keep asserting this, you're wrong.

Taxation IS theft.

Would you like for me to start referring to it as extortion, instead?

Or, how about an "institution built around theft"?
05-12-2014 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Taxation isn't theft
Yes it is.
05-12-2014 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You forgot to tell him that you didn't really mean Government in the way that regular people use the word. Why don't you define what you are actually meaning when you use the word government in lib land?
I assume the people reading my posts have reading comprehension skills.

It's obvious who I make exceptions for.

Government protects rights. It can't do that when it violates those same rights in the process.

Humored, kerowo?
05-12-2014 , 08:01 PM
No, I mean when you have a "government" funded by the 18.75 they are going to get from a $1 lottery what are you paying for with that 18.75?
05-12-2014 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
I'm not sure you even know what that word means.

That's exactly what you were trying to do.

Why don't you understand that there will be competition, and why do you assume this competition is bad? Because of funding?

Jesus.

We went over this days ago.
Alright, there's no way your avoidance isn't 100% deliberate. I'm not discussing levels of competition with you, I'm discussing how YOU CANNOT FUND A GOVERNMENT ON A $1 LOTTERY. Period. Full stop.

This LOLttery is so beyond the realm of possibility that it's literally laughable. Like people will laugh at you when you tell them this. But who am I telling? I'm sure this is why you have resigned to spitting this drivel here, ITF, where the sounds of our laughter is a safe distance from you.
05-12-2014 , 09:08 PM
The lottery thing honestly makes me wonder if Proph is just someone's gimmick.
05-12-2014 , 09:18 PM
Tax is theft is weak....

Morally weak. It is supported by indictment and accusation using appeals to self doubt (indoctrination) and persecution ( your stealing!) Uses weak moral arguments where it fails intellectually. It relies on sophistic assertions concerning material possession rather than an appeal to a variety of equal principles.

Intellectually weak. As an axiom it is a patent language equivalence and logical fallacy. It cannot be simulated with depth. It reveals a circular pattern.

Emotionally weak. creates an adversary dilemma, a trust dilemma and a happiness dilemma.

Socially weak. It creates an us versus them dilemma. The purposes of social organizations is devolved from common mutual principles into sophistic assertions concerning material possession. Humanity is de-humanized with blanket accusations of morally incorrect behavior.
05-12-2014 , 09:24 PM
Thank you alex and pvn for challenging my assertions. Peace to all, even proph.
05-12-2014 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Proph
Regardless of how often you keep asserting this, you're wrong.

Taxation IS theft.

Would you like for me to start referring to it as extortion, instead?

Or, how about an "institution built around theft"?
Proph,

By your logic, is incarceration equivalent to kidnapping/false imprisonment?
05-12-2014 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Really? My schizophrenic alter-ego used to show that work all the time here in Politaria.



It's important to be clear, so VG. No, in this case you are mistaken. That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm not saying anything is 'morally permissible', or 'morally impermissible'. Nothing I'm saying hinges on the existence, or lack of existence, of taxes in the local jurisdiction.

(Which as an aside... I find an especially LOLtastical tangent. They don't have no stinkin' taxes in Saudi Arabia. Do Libertarian-types consider the Arabian Peninsula to be a different metaphysical 'morally differentiated world'... perhaps a different sphere of physical reality itself... than say central Europe ??)

No... the point here is this...
  • The same exact metaphorical sense that could be used to characterize taxes as 'theft', equally and equivalently must be used to characterize rent as 'theft'.

  • Knowing this, if someone chooses to use this metaphorical sense to advance the meme that one of taxes/rent is 'theft'... and at the same time turns around and denies the other of taxes/rent is 'theft'... that someone is doing what us poker players call 'angle-shooting'. They are being intellectually dishonest.

  • Whether you consider these identical activities as 'morally permissible' or 'morally impermissible' or morally neutral... well that's just your opinion man. Whatever floats your boat.

    Nevertheless, if someone consider one of these two identical activities to be 'morally permissible', and the other of these two identical activities to be 'morally impermissible'... well we can all agree that that somebody is morally conflicted and bankrupt.
Ok, I think I get what you're saying, so now what I need is for you to fill in the blanks. Any set of rules that leads to the conclusion that taxes=theft must also lead to the conclusion that rent=theft, right? So how did you get to that? A link to your buddy's previous post will be fine.
05-12-2014 , 10:52 PM
While you're at it, why do you consider rent and mini-storage fees to be obviously different (in the context of this discussion)?

Will poor people be better off when would-be landlords, who are not permitted to rent their property, decide to build boat slips for rich people instead of apartments?
05-12-2014 , 11:02 PM
LOL thinking Landlords will rent to poors in libertarian land.
05-12-2014 , 11:04 PM
Why wouldn't they? Bill gates wants to rent all the cheap housing units but can't today because the mean ol' gubbmit won't let him?
05-12-2014 , 11:08 PM
Got a link?
05-12-2014 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Ok, I think I get what you're saying, so now what I need is for you to fill in the blanks. Any set of rules that leads to the conclusion that taxes=theft must also lead to the conclusion that rent=theft, right?...
LOL no.

Sure, a set of rules like {"things that Libertarian-types call 'rent'" != 'theft'; "things that Libertarian-types call 'taxes'" == 'theft'} are not going to come up with 'taxes' == 'rent'.

What I'm saying is given for any and every reasonable f(X), where 'f' is a function that evaluates 'theft'... that f('taxes') == f('rent').

They must necessarily always evaluate to the same exact thingee... because they are just simply different names for the same exact thingee.
05-12-2014 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
LOL no.

Sure, a set of rules like {"things that Libertarian-types call 'rent'" != 'theft'; "things that Libertarian-types call 'taxes'" == 'theft'} are not going to come up with 'taxes' == 'rent'.

What I'm saying is given for any and every reasonable f(X), where 'f' is a function that evaluates 'theft'... that f('taxes') == f('rent').

They must necessarily always evaluate to the same exact thingee... because they are just simply different names for the same exact thingee.
Uh, that's exactly what I said you were saying. Now just show your work.
05-12-2014 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
... What I'm saying is given for any and every reasonable f(X)...
Uh, that's exactly what I said you were saying. Now just show your work.
Uhh... did you miss the thread title: Re: LOL @ all things libertarian-type !!!1!. This is a point&laugh thread, not a "show your work" thread.

As always... why so personal? Several other Politards have made the same exact point, including the REAL trolly (like about 10x times) and Huehuecoyotl. How come you don't want them to "show your work" as well ??

Anyways... sure. I can stay within your three admitted three sentence attention span too. But... you're going to have to meet me, like at least 1/10th of 1% of the way. After I spew my three sentences... you are going to need to make some sort of coherent, relevant and direct response.

05-12-2014 , 11:50 PM
I didn't ask earlier because I probably didn't read it, especially if it's buried in any interaction with proph. I'm browsing on my phone so I can't search. If you could just help me find the good stuff? What's incoherent about that?

      
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