What are you talking about? Are you trying to get back to your "these three things are all we need" nonsense? If you want me to rephrase it to something more palatable like freedom to be served or right not to discriminated against then I will. Ohhh, you want to get into natural rights, even though it has nothing to do with libertarians.

Racism is an outcome of the drug war.

Paternalistic need to control of other people, incorrect notions of "social good", or indifferent self-interest are the kind of ideas that promote the drug war.

Racists do benefit from some of the ideas that promote the drug war and it's outcomes.

"Whatever I want to talk about?"

Cool!

I'd like to finish this conversation, since you left some stuff dangling:

I swap taxation and theft often, because taxation is theft. I was so incredibly shocked by your next sentence, about wanting more of that theft while simultaneously sweeping aside the entire war aspect, that I forgot to address this.

Why is it okay to take from people, even if it's only for a little bit, or for a good cause?

(Because everybody's stuff belongs to everybody else? Like socialism? It doesn't seem like you have thought about the ramifications of the absence of property rights.)

Look at him dance!

"Get back to"? I've never left it! What have you thought this entire conversation was about, kerowo?

I only keep repeating this question because if you, in fact, do believe that these protectionist laws are what give you "the right to be served", then you believe your rights come from government.

If you don't think your "right to be served" comes from government, via these laws, then where do they come from? People? Do you honestly feel comfortable subjecting your rights to the whims of other people?

I've been answering your questions straightly. Why can't you answer mine in a similar fashion? Are you afraid your belief structure won't hold up?

Yes, that and that. There is ignorant bliss, and there is blissful ignorance. What's in between on the switch? Could be knowing something...

Why shame in being tricked or missing details? Going from don't know to know sounds likes a celebration! Innocence.

Like a person who gives up a vice, perhaps a bad mental habit of judging people by their skin. People can even try to have innocence! You can bring that back like a DJ brings a beat. How? Personal responsibility. Don't matter what words get brought after a person has that.

Why is this even possible? Individual liberty, to be free from mental error as part of mental freedom. To know and correct each our mistakes as each our own. Liberty and innocence are best ****ing friends.

No, the drug war is rooted firmly in racism. It's a tool to allow people to imprison mass quantities of people from some races while totally ignoring the drug "crimes" of people from other races. The paternalism angle is just code words.

What drug crimes of white people do you think are being ignored?

The waters are only muddy because you're stirring everything up.

The disclaimer was simply to make sure that we were on the same page, and it prevented you from saying "Hahah! This guy believes <x>..." when I'm answering your questions honestly.

You must've missed all the lotto discussion.

What is vague about life, liberty, and property rights; especially considering I've explained them multiple times? (Do I have to do it again?)

Look at a law. Does it violate one of those 3 rights? If not, it's a law. If it does violate, it's a non-law.

Lol, are you joking?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/race-and-drug-war

more likely =/= ignoring drug crimes from white people

as to the point you are attempting to make: is it possible that white people simply violate drug laws less often?

The very first line:

"Although rates of drug use and selling are comparable across racial lines"

That's simply inaccurate. Try getting your facts someplace other than DrugLawsAreRacist.info

If you want to bitch about sentencing I'll agree with you. But not rates of law violation. There is far more crack smoking going on per capita in the ghetto than there is coke snorting in the suburbs.

Whites do the drugs, blacks do the time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3941346.html

The racist outcome does not completely line up with or is explained by simply racist motives. Racism is a motivator, paternalism is a motivator, indifference is a motivator.

Example: A cop who routinely let's white kids go with a warning but busts the black kids could be dysfunctional in all these ways, but the the cop busts everybody could just have one or two.

lol libertarians

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-seek-pris...9TkTsAzBXQtDMD

Seriously, missiledog, what bad things in history have not be the fault of libertarianism? We already know the war on drugs is a secret libertarian plot. What about Japanese internment? Libertarians! Indian genocide? libertarians. Spanish Inquisition? Libertarians!! Bubonic plague? wait for it...

Taxation isn't theft.

The conversation was about libertarians being ok with letting business owners discriminate against groups of people for non-business reasons. IE because of their race.

I'm not overly concerned where the rights come from actually since it is indistinguishable whether they come from a piece of paper or exist someplace else and where just written down.

Why do you replace "Pursuit of Happiness" with "Property" in your list of rights. Not getting served by racists seems like it would be covered by that.

LOL at you thinking you're answering any questions straightly. If this is straight ahead answers I'd hate to see what you being obtuse is like.

Why? How is saying "your belief isn't true" a compelling argument or something that's even worth saying at all? You come off like a Religious nut making claims like that without backing them up.

Would you say you agree or disagree with this statement?

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical."

Will there be no taxation in Libertopia? What if states want to collect taxes? Will landlords be able to charge their tenants rent?

When your belief is patently false and flies in the face of reality just saying it's wrong is pretty close to good enough. Taxes are codified in our laws, theft is a breaking of the law. You may not like paying taxes and think you get to benefit from what taxes provide without having to pay for it but that by itself doesn't make it theft.

Sinful and tyrannical perhaps but not illegal.

Libertarian magic turns taxation into no more property and taking all YOUR precious stuff.

Neither and both.