Of course, it's not like all those 'nice' places to move to welcome minorities with open arms.

Native Americans on reservations...the segregation we don't hear too much about.

b

Are you in here defending Vikings history on a daily basis? Do you see the difference, or is it completely lost on Arizonians like you?

What keeps them on the reservation? I can not help but think thousands of central and south american imigrants left far worse circumstances for a better place, even in the face of discrimination and such. Although I agree, many places will not welcome them with open arms and we should do things to help but...there is something keeping people on the reservations and not exploring very real oppurutnities thats not keeping other people from immigrating to our country. You can not tell me its all due to discrimination.

And when I drive through west Phoenix there are very few whites compared to Mexican nationals and illegals.

And when I drive through Flagstaff, Arizona I don't see many Asians.

When I drive through Koreatown in LA I don't see many blacks.

Someone mentioned in the racism i have experienced thread that in high school mostly the groups of races stuck together. Sounds like prison to me.

What if I tried to live on the reservation 3 miles from where I live? I bet they wouldn't let me live there and if they did I bet I'd be discriminated against or looked at funny or whatever.

Kind of sounds like this whole multiculturalism doesn't work and it just ends up being all little fragmented societies.

Look at multi-culuralism in the US military.

1. Not all reservations have casinos on them, some are extremely poor. Even those with casinos have their extremely poor areas.
2. You may be overestimating their 'very real opportunities.'

No, it'd not all due to discrimination, but it does play a huge part in it.

It's an inequality that is commonly overlooked as it may be the 'reservation' insulates the (general) public from seeing it in comparison to other minorities who don't have a reservation(though many did/do have enclaves, and stay for similar reasons--which on main reason is there is more opps in an enclave/reservation than outside an enclave/reservation).

b

Government didn't have a hand in ANY of this.

You're very close to usurping kerowo's role as the most stupid poster on these forums.

Luckily you won't be alone, though. It seems bernie is a fan.

You're a joke, kid. A narcissistic contrarian, to be more precise. It's even evident in your name, DudeImBetter. (Hint: you're not!)

I'll give you the same ultimatum I gave kerowo: when you decide to start using your mental facilities, I might decide to engage you again.

You know the saddest thing about your propagandic defense of government? You probably don't even get paid for it. Your own ego is your motivator. Pathetic.

/endrant.

I gave you plenty of time to correct yourself, but I would suffocate -- holding my breath -- if I truly expected you to change your ways. Maybe derogatory insults are the only language you speak. ****ing troll.

If you were hoping this thread -- along with your ignorance -- would fade into obscurity, you're mistaken.

Troll grade: D

Needs new material

Hey, Proph. You advocate for bringing back the glory days referenced above. That's you. Everyone else thinks it's madness, myself included.

Way to ID one of the most terrible periods of our history as your Libertarian wet dream. Double points for picking a time when govt made some of its most infamous moves and being like, "YES!"

He's got you there, proph

I haven't made my stance a secret. When you ignore it as many times as you have, you begin to enter troll territory.

What's wrong with open borders and drastically shrinking government, Jiggs?

Also, you never got back to me on Oh-bomb-em's "disposition matrix":

You dodged then disappeared last time, buddy! Maybe together, we can put this thread back on track? I'm interested to hear the latest brainwashed rhetoric this month. I haven't been able to stomach television news, with all of the pro-war propaganda being disseminated lately.

Actually, the Vikings didn't exist until 1960, when they were first granted an NFL franchise, and didn't play their first game until 1961.

I didn't ignore anything. I just didn't see it. You were involved in ******ed exchanges with so many people, I got tired of following the thread.

To answer your latest Obama false equivalency, no, I don't condone ANY of the worst RW traits of our corporate president. Never have, never will. So if you think you caught me in some form of hypocrisy, you can halt that right now. In my firm view, Obama's failings have everything to do with being too moderate, and maintaining the worst pro-biz, deregulation characteristics of the leader before him - you know the most awful president in U.S. history. You'd know that if you followed my thread history here even a little bit.

Does that clear things up a bit for you?

Let's lol one more time at Proph proclaiming pre 1913 USA was the nuts. Whew, truly special he is.

Yes, it does. Your frequent blame-shifting to Republicans gave me the illusion that you're pro-Democrat. DudeImBetter isn't the only one prone to them!

However, I disagree that Obama is pro-business, bent on deregulating, or that he's even moderate. If you compare him to someone like Elizabeth Warren, I can understand how you would make this assumption, though.

Oh-bomb-em is Bush III, as far as I'm concerned. He had great rhetoric, but horrible follow through. But, isn't that every politician, ever? The system is a sham, while voting is simply an illusion of choice.

Maybe some other time we can discuss the illegitimacy of taxation?

seriously, one of the things i just don't get about hard-core anti-immigration folks. What, are immigrants kicking you out of your house? Who the **** cares where people go? Also, globalization means you're already competing with folks all over the world for your job, so, deal with it.

Inside the mind of a madman:

We should just dismantle the govt and live in a state of anarchy. While 99.9% of humanity disagrees, I'm a descendant of Neo and see s*** that they can't see; understand s*** they can't understand.

I'm very special.

With great power comes great responsibility, though. Now it's time to figure out how best the gears of govt should come to a screeching halt. How should I implement my 19th century pipe dream? Gotta figure out how best to get the kids back into the mines and bring on another gilded age for the super rich. Also on the list is getting rid of those pesky anti-discrimination laws...again, to make things resemble the 19th century.

Hmmmm...more to come later. Much to think about.

If you would quit protecting your inflated, overvalued ego, you could be special, too! The only requirements are persistent learning and humility.

Most people are just ignorant; they haven't heard these viewpoints before. You, however, vehemently resist these ideas while obstructing honest discussion, though.

Prophet, how much do you love Herbert Spencer? The dude is a relic of the glory days you hold so dear, and the s*** he spewed sounds awfully familiar....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Spencer

"He has been claimed as a precursor by libertarians and anarcho-capitalists. Economist Murray Rothbard called Social Statics "the greatest single work of libertarian political philosophy ever written."[18] Spencer argued that the state was not an "essential" institution and that it would "decay" as voluntary market organization would replace the coercive aspects of the state."

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"For many, the name of Herbert Spencer would be virtually synonymous with Social Darwinism, a social theory that applies the law of the survival of the fittest to society; humanitarian impulses had to be resisted as nothing should be allowed to interfere with nature's laws, including the social struggle for existence.

Spencer's association with Social Darwinism might have its origin in a specific interpretation of his support for competition. Whereas in biology the competition of various organisms can result in the death of a species or organism, the kind of competition Spencer advocated is closer to the one used by economists, where competing individuals or firms improve the well being of the rest of society. Spencer viewed private charity positively so long as it did not encourage the procreation of the unworthy, as he believed in voluntary association and informal care as opposed to using government machinery.[28]

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"Spencer denounced Irish land reform, compulsory education, laws to regulate safety at work, prohibition and temperance laws, tax funded libraries, and welfare reforms. His main objections were threefold: the use of the coercive powers of the government, the discouragement given to voluntary self-improvement, and the disregard of the "laws of life."

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What a winner.

How do you defend 0-4 in Super Bowls. Putrid

Odd, I hadn't heard of him until your post. I couldn't give you an opinion on him without doing some research first. Just skimming, lol Lamarckism.

Personally, I prefer Spooner. I was sold on him after hearing his Highway Robbery bit:

Spooner put his money where his mouth was, creating an alternative to the Postal Service, leading by example.

Proph still rustled he cant just freeload off others

Proph, thoughts on Docial Darwinism / Survival of the Fittest, as described above? Would this be an intended result of Prophtopia? Net positive? Unavoidable?