I was one of the few people who did not want SM2 banned. Unlike you, he had redeeming qualities.

BTW, if you've actually been doxxed you should for sure be contacting mods to get rid of the ~4 posts that make it so easy for someone to find you.

Right, but since his wife doesn't actually exist why bother

In order for his wife not to exist, he would have chosen a random couple to impersonate, then slowly leak personal information about both of them, including the correct details of what degrees they both did, what jobs they hold, where they grew up, and so on. I don't give him credit for pulling that off

Well, it is the 'let's put on chains' thread, and I did say I'd put in my 2-cents worth later. This is why I proposed these two SPECIAL RULES...

I realize that these are in fact extra 'chains'. In fact chains that don't exist in Alta Politards. I'm very anti-chains (excepting site wide rules, and hateful intolerance, as is our mandate here). I understand that it seems absurd to have chains that don't exist in Alta, and have such picky little ones at that.

To clarify, in case needed. SR#1 is meant to be interpreted quite literally, You're a 'racial intolerant', you're 'Intellectually Disabled', you're a acist-ray, would all be OK.

I just feel that these two particular hot-button R-words, and the Tone Policing associated with one of the R-words, is just so incredibly derailing to the both of the entire forums. Literally, those two little sequences of letters just bring the whole of Politardia to it's metaphoric knees... time, and time, again.

In just these two particular cases SPECIAL RULES should be at least be tried. Way back (exactly two years ago today !!!1!) when Baja Politaria was new, it was imagined it could be a place where experiments are tried. I suggest trying SR#1&2 for a trail period... if it sucks, well that was that.

My rules were fine except for the major problem of spamming idiocy.

It's pretty hard to define but I think we know it when we see it. The problem is that this forum's main benefit is that it gives some types of spamming idiots a good place to discuss their favourite topic.

Mat asked nicely. Obviously I dont give up my ability to post to anyone, but can heed polite requests. He did not tell me to shut up, just suggested only deal with mod issues like spam. So I have no mod issues to discuss except spam.

As a poster, I have already tested what happens if I post in response to your rate of posting- We have data from the duker how often you have posted "spank".

You made many odd observations and comments about my posting on a whole variety of non-matters. I have to ask person to person, do you think you are really funny?

Otherwise, What else have you been up to today?

When the boss suggests you take a break it's usually a good idea. I mean, it's clear the modship matters a great deal to you with how active you've been and how much you've tried to defend your actions. If you want to keep that you might not want to annoy him, look at what happened to thekid.

Also, please go ban his new account.

1. No pictures of purple dinosaurs.

2. Moderate posters for one month periods by raffle, with posts in the Bad Posters thread counting as raffle tickets.

3. $10 a week in food stamps for everyone.

i did not mean for him to shut up. i do agree there is a problem when so many posters feel that a moderator should shut up. otoh, the poll about spank as mod has him in the lead. so i won't be making any rash decisions on his presence.

I didn't mean for him to shut up, just seems like he got more active and started to revert to his pre mod posting style.

I stand by my proposed rules: no modding of content except in extreme cases; normal modding for structural stuff that keeps the forum running. When someone posts so much idiocy in such a short amount if time that it starts to interfere with the operation of the forum then it should be addressed somehow -- containment thread, temp exile, something -- because that is structural. But those situations are (and should be) extremely rare.

Sounds perfect.

If Mat is happy for Bruce to be attacked like that than I'm pretty sure Bruce hasn't objected.

Has your obsession prevented you from being able to read?

that sounds like what i wanted from the inception. so that's that. spank wanted you as his co-mod and i will assume he agrees completely. if not, have a private conversation and bring me into it if you must.

i think you should replace jj's rules post with your own to avoid confusion. i guess you should also get approval from the admin listed as a mod here.

Elliot, Those sound good and worth a try.

The self modded threads had many failures but a few good successes. I think Jiggs was able to run a much better thread when he was able to remove the pure trolling posts. It had the effect of setting the tone early that it was going to stay on content.

I don't remember which forum I saw it in, but there was something about the OP requesting a more serious thread and the mods were much more strict about removing off topic / trolling content. I think maybe that's a better way of trying to accomplish what I was hoping self modded threads would do.

There are two purposes to PU - one is to let people attack each other. But the other is to have some conversations that can't happen elsewhere for whatever reason. It's nice to have some mechanism to keep the first purpose of PU from interfering too much with the second purpose.

It's pretty much all we disagreed on. Containing topics is fine but containing a poster sucks badly.

Either we live with it and those who can't cope with the horror use the ignore options or there needs to be some non poster specific rules to deal with it.

Way ahead of you

Since I am a big supporter of the self-mod threads. And since I kinda let jjshabado down by not doing one, even though he initially called me out, and later he approved my request... that I never did.

A 'Serious Option' (I already have a symbol ready for such: ) might well accomplish the same thing.

My one quibble would be what I'm going to call 'technical trolling'. For example, I was going to do a RWA fiction thread, including some selected reading. I probably could have got some contemporary authors to directly answer questions for us.

However... what is, and what is not, properly included in that topic is basically a technical question. A technical question a volunteer mod of a general politics forum isn't likely to be an expert on. It would have been nice, as OP, to just explain that certain tangents are off-topic, and settle the matter then and there... instead of helplessly having it coming up again & again & again until it finally derails the whole thread.

Anyways... just a quibble. I know... the ACers are all gone and perma-banned long ago now... no need to worry.

Carry on.

I'd unofficially draw the "no crazy racism" line at permitting any opinion that a member of Congress can get away with without being censured or forced to resign.

That's pretty much anything AFAIK

Spank may be capable of enforcing the rules. The problem seems to be that almost no one thinks he is capable of formulating or explaining the rules.

I propose that Spank be tasked with enforcing the rules, but not with writing them, so that he may be required to enforce rules he disagrees with, if he wants to do the job right.

I also propose that Spank practice the ultimate in transparency and we give him a mod accountability thread, where he lists every post report (except for spam) and explains why he chose his response (including inaction).

Ok, I changed the sticky. I'm ok adding a "serious thread" option, but I think the topics for which there should be a "serious thread" in PU rather than just a regular politards thread are pretty few and far between.

Making him list out all the post reports seems a bit much IMO.

I think if we just had rules that he understood we'd be fine. He seems to be interpreting things in new and funky ways and if we could just end that it'd be all good. It's not like there's many rules here that need to be addressed so I'd hope it'd be easy but he'd have to accept people suggesting to him what he can and can't do (or rather how it should be done) and that hasn't gone well thus far.

Let me go read the sticky and make sure I approve