Can you be transracial as well?

...and I can I have my transracial surgery paid for by the NHS?

Ok, good luck.

In some fashion, Yes. But you don't need surgery to change your race as it is seen as a personal construct.

Michael Jackson was a famous transracial

Going to say no although no real compelling reasons atm

Yes but there will be an awkward phase when you wont be sure whether you should be using the bathrooms for white or colored persons.

Sure, you can be bi-racial too.

Race isn't a biological construct, it's a social construct. Historically in the US, up through the early 20th century, Irish was considered a different race than British, and were discriminated against in a racial manner. Today in the US, four of the official (and optional) census categories are "white ~ non-Hispanic", "white ~ Hispanic", "black non-Hispanic" and "black ~ Hispanic"... so things don't break down in nice little racial-only categories even today.

Now, this may not be the case in contemporary Briton. But there's still lots of places in the world where, what are now considered one racial-grouping in Briton, is considered quite different racial, or racial-cultural, or racial-national groupings. Just pick one of those other places where you, as an ex-pat, could possibly be considered in multiple categories... and there you are !!!1!

Likewise, you can be trans-racial, without the need for surgery another way... just learn some acting skills. Including perhaps a little make-up skills. My late friend Sebastian was a Jew, a white guy, and had a stereotypical NY accent. He was also a bit actor, and because of his physique, was routinely cast as a Sumo wrestler. He didn't speak Japanese, he didn't have many lines, and would just phonetically memorize those... but if had learned to be fluid in Japanese, he could have easily passed for a Sansei, and probably as a Nisei.

Lastly, of course, you could have some surgery done. But note... race is a social construction, just changing superficial external characteristics, like eye shape or skin shade, ain't ever going to be enough by itself to change your perceived racial identity. If you say, had a buncha surgeries to superficially look like a different race (as defined by whatever society you are embedded in), but didn't change all the other, and more important, parts of your perceived racial identity... you'd just take on the identity of a freak (ex: M.Jackson).

IDK. Does the NHS pay for exotic and purely cosmetic surgery in general? Like, say having a tail prosthetic implanted? If so... I don't see why not.

Not identifying as a race would also be under an umbrella of ' trans-race'.

Can we get a definition of transracial?

It appears to be a newly formed word to describe a concept of going from one race to another as a matter of personal identity.

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Kukra wins! Congratulations!

I lol'd

Does another word to describe the concept 'transculture' exist?

For when a person adopts a new culture different from their previous or birth culture.

If well established psychology research leads us to the conclusion that the best course of action to mitigate extreme distress from your condition is surgery then I'm all up for it being on the NHS.

Is this exciting thought experiment of yours actually going to go anywhere?

Then Rasta can say "some of my best skin is black."

Of course not, he was going to complain about how other people don't get surgery covered under the NHS like the oh-so-lucky people who have wanted to be the opposite gender their entire life. At some point the discrimination against straight white males would have come into play

In a society where there are transgender people, I believe the surgery should be covered if the experts doing the evaluation come to the conclusion that the person really is transgender.

In a perfect world we wouldn't have transgender people.

Yet our world isn't perfect and people have to spend lots of money, living in financial ruin and undergo a lot of painful surgery to be happy for themselves.

Most are already socially awkward because they are not comfortable in their own sex and transitioning probably creates more awkwardness where they consider suicide.

I'm going to guess that there are people that probably like other racial traits and get surgery without disclosing the fact.
Actually its not really a guess, since I've seen a video on youtube where asian women are getting eye surgery to have the western eye look and some have said specifically they like western eyes.

It may not be feasible to pay for people to be happy but it would be nice if it was that way.

Not at all, its a very reasonable question.

There is no such thing as a 'transgender person'. A 'transgender woman' is a man, who dresses as a woman traditionally would and asks for his genitalia to be mutilated.

Now granted, I'm sure such a person must be experiencing a horrible phenomenon to genuinely wish to be the opposite sex, but wishing something does not make it so.

Nevertheless, the sheer denial of reality around transgender people does indeed leave open the possibility that one should be able to deny reality in equal measure to race.

Why indeed shouldn't one request that the world pretend that they are black in much the same way that a man may request the world to pretend him to be a woman?

Why didn't you just start off by spewing this **** rather than build up to it, it's no better now that people have considered your OP than it would have been had you just posted it.

I fear you've rather missed the point; I'm not building up to anything, merely providing a counterexample.

Gender and sex are scientifically identical. Bruce Jenner is a man pretending to be a woman, who'd like the world to also pretend that he is a woman. To that, I politely decline, as I do so with anyone else.

I sincerely believe that in the future, we will look upon this period of humanity with a mixture of shame and embarrassment at the fact that we allowed some of our most vulnerable fellow humans to liberally self-harm without giving them the access to the psychiatric treatment and drugs that their condition seems to merit.

So, I ask again:

Why may someone pretend to be another gender and request to have themselves mutilated whereas one is not allowed to pretend to be a different race?

Your life, your canvas and if someone wants to live the opposite gender because they experience more joy, all the power to them.

If I wanted to get surgery to look like a female and live the lifestyle of a female because it gives me some sort of pleasure that I don't have with living as a male...

Logically its an easy decision.

You have a warped mind if you think "future" society is going to look back and judge and believe any possibility to be correct in that assumption.

You only live once. Best to do what makes you happy obviously.

i'm pretty sure there're going to be more transgenders in the future

You aren't providing a counter example as race and gender are different.

I sincerely hope that in the future you look back on these beliefs with a mixture of shame and embarrassment but I doubt it. You can't politely decline to ignore someones self professed gender you can only do it while being a ****.

Just check the suicide rates, as well as the numbers of people who regret their surgery. Its an awful decision for someone so internally pained to be faced with and they thoroughly deserve sympathy and support. What they don't need is society to be willing to literally cut their 'nads off.

How and why?

I am a black man. I've always felt black. I have very few white friends, I enjoy hip-hop music and like women with big bottoms in particular.

Please don't deny my life, my canvas.

You're declining my professed race. Why should I not do the same for a man pretending to be a woman?

Rest assured I certainly wouldn't confront a transgender. I personally would simply avoid their company. I wouldn't want to brutishly hurt vulnerable people, but I'm afraid biology and reality aren't things that I can just turn a blind eye to.

Some people regret or commit suicide but others don't.
Many things in life are that way and it doesn't make any sense to view against it because of different people.

Not all cut their 'nads' off as it is once again a personal preference on what makes them most happy.