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!!! Gay conservative Milo Yiannopoulos named LGBTQ Nation's 2016 Person of the Year !!! Gay conservative Milo Yiannopoulos named LGBTQ Nation's 2016 Person of the Year

02-20-2017 , 09:34 PM
The demand for his books is there, if there is enough demand on the market, someone out there will create the supply.
02-20-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
The demand for him is there, if there is enough demand on the market, someone out there will create the supply.
I don't think so.
02-20-2017 , 09:35 PM
There is a demand for the stuff he sells. There isn't a demand for that stuff to be sold by a pedophile. It's really something society doesn't accept. If he actually apologizes/disappears he might be ok in a few years, but he's dumb enough to continue to shock people and be a media whore and make everything worse.
02-20-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
The demand for his books is there, if there is enough demand on the market, someone out there will create the supply.
If someone bootlegs it with a pdf version on the net Milo isn't going to receive money. AFAIK the current publishing company would have to sign away their rights to the book for another company to publish it for Milo to actually profit.
02-20-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
There is a demand for the stuff he sells. There isn't a demand for that stuff to be sold by a pedophile. It's really something society doesn't accept. If he actually apologizes/disappears he might be ok in a few years, but he's dumb enough to continue to shock people and be a media whore and make everything worse.
Alex Jones still gets interviews on MSM outlets. Haven't tuned into Milo, but people probably watch him for the same reasons. Viewers agree or it's a lolament.
02-20-2017 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
There is a demand for the stuff he sells. There isn't a demand for that stuff to be sold by a pedophile. It's really something society doesn't accept. If he actually apologizes/disappears he might be ok in a few years, but he's dumb enough to continue to shock people and be a media whore and make everything worse.
I mean, there will absolutely be another Milo to come along and take up the mantle of "hateful intellectual jester of the right." And he'll probably make a lot of money and attract a lot of protests, but it's not something the left should really be afraid of long-term. These clowns represent the intellectual rot at the center of the conservative moment in US politics right now. They aren't going to make people think, they aren't going to shake up the status quo--they are going to make money off of some whiney, privileged conservatives and then they're gonna make more money, because people like Milo aren't in it to change the world. They're in it to make some cheddar and take advantage of a movement that is intellectually empty and bankrupt--and that isn't hard to do.
02-20-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I mean, there will absolutely be another Milo to come along and take up the mantle of "hateful intellectual jester of the right." And he'll probably make a lot of money and attract a lot of protests, but it's not something the left should really be afraid of long-term. These clowns represent the intellectual rot at the center of the conservative moment in US politics right now. They aren't going to make people think, they aren't going to shake up the status quo--they are going to make money off of some whiney, privileged conservatives and then they're gonna make more money, because people like Milo aren't in it to change the world. They're in it to make some cheddar and take advantage of a movement that is intellectually empty and bankrupt--and that isn't hard to do.
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Originally Posted by 13ball
He starts hawking Brain Force pills for InfoWars--but he never returns to his former glory.
Another Jedi.

Still working on the theory that any and all polidiscussions in the US boil down to Star Wars characters.
02-20-2017 , 09:49 PM
wil is like the poster boy for dunning kruger
02-20-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Another Jedi.

Still working on the theory that any and all polidiscussions in the US boil down to Star Wars characters.
Whatever, Jar Jar.

Last edited by 13ball; 02-20-2017 at 09:52 PM. Reason: Wookiepedia notes there is no hyphen in "Jar Jar."
02-20-2017 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
If someone bootlegs it with a pdf version on the net Milo isn't going to receive money. AFAIK the current publishing company would have to sign away their rights to the book for another company to publish it for Milo to actually profit.
lol no
02-20-2017 , 09:52 PM
He didn't actually write his book yet, as far as I can tell, it's not like he has a finished product he can shop around.

Also people on the internet who read this **** every day knew who he was, but the Fox News drumbeat on the Cal protest and the Maher bit were both huge for him, they were his introduction for a lot of people. And now this CPAC thing is an even bigger story, in a lot of mainstream outlets.

So I'm not sure if his niche appeal as "The GamerGate gay guy" and "the college republican white supremacist speaker" are going to overcome the "guy who thinks it's OK to **** 13 year olds" as his brand going forward, and I'm not sure if there's a huge appeal to be the outlet that publishes offbrand NAMBLA guys with the defense "oh, yeah, the kid stuff... but what if I told you he hates women?"
02-20-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
He didn't actually write his book yet, as far as I can tell, it's not like he has a finished product he can shop around.

Also people on the internet who read this **** every day knew who he was, but the Fox News drumbeat on the Cal protest and the Maher bit were both huge for him, they were his introduction for a lot of people. And now this CPAC thing is an even bigger story, in a lot of mainstream outlets.

So I'm not sure if his niche appeal as "The GamerGate gay guy" and "the college republican white supremacist speaker" are going to overcome the "guy who thinks it's OK to **** 13 year olds" as his brand going forward, and I'm not sure if there's a huge appeal to be the outlet that publishes offbrand NAMBLA guys with the defense "oh, yeah, the kid stuff... but what if I told you he hates women?"
Yup plus there are gonna be a dozen trolls lined up to replace him that don't have the same pederasty baggage.
02-20-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
lol no
I know you don't understand these things, but if that book is copyrighted then yes I am most likely right. Often authors sign over copyright to major publishers.

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02-20-2017 , 10:11 PM
02-20-2017 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
I know you don't understand these things, but if that book is copyrighted then yes I am right.
Your ability to be arrogant and simultaneously staggeringly wrong remains impressive.

The book hasn't been finished yet, how could it be copyrighted? But let's say it was. The publisher might own the copyright (not sure if this is typical but it doesn't mater), but if the author delivered the book as per the contract then the publisher would obviously be in breech of the contract if it refused to publish the book. So no, quite obviously Milo can publish his book elsewhere if Simon and Shuster chooses not to publish it.

edit: hahaha I see you did a perfunctory google after posting and did a little hedging. Your post is still wrong.
02-20-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Your ability to be arrogant and simultaneously staggeringly wrong remains impressive.

The book hasn't been finished yet, how could it be copyrighted? But let's say it was. The publisher might own the copyright (not sure if this is typical but it doesn't mater), but if the author delivered the book as per the contract then the publisher would obviously be in breech of the contract if it refused to publish the book. So no, quite obviously Milo can publish his book elsewhere if Simon and Shuster chooses not to publish it.
Or you just make stuff up instead because you don't understand stuff because you think you're a troll or something lol.

You don't even know what is in the contract that Milo signed with S and S to even comment on them being in breach of contract. And, no, if copyright was signed over to the publisher S and S could bury the book.
02-20-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
... now become a serious story rather than a load of old nonsense that I could ignore.
Not to make light of pedophilia. A FW was shot in the gut a month ago today. It's been a serious story since then.

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Originally Posted by Seattle Weekly
... The shooting victim, a 34-year-old who isn’t a UW student, has since undergone multiple emergency surgeries at Harborview Medical Center, and almost died two weeks ago. He wishes to remain unnamed as he recovers from his injuries and fears further harassment.

“[The victim] has decided that there’s been a lot of complications and it’s not time to engage in the media right now,” explained his attorney... “He needs time to heal. Every time he has too many visitors, something goes wrong.”...
If other news, it seems the M.Yiannopoulos fan is an UW student. He's on video, amped up and saying "“They have to start it! They have to start it!”. It's not clear if the shooter is the student or his wife. A subpoena found both their cells wiped.

And "University of Washington students have been dealing with doxing, dangerous encounters, and general transphobia or racism since the incident."
02-20-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Or you just make stuff up instead because you don't understand stuff because you think you're a troll or something lol.

You don't even know what is in the contract that Milo signed with S and S to even comment on them being in breach of contract. And, no, if copyright was signed over to the publisher S and S could bury the book.
No, they couldn't. Unless they bought it for a lump sum or something, which would be extraordinarily unusual. They almost certainly have some sort of royalty agreement in place. And the contract works both ways. Milo agrees to deliver a book about an agreed upon topic on time. Simon and Schuster agree to publish the book. Once the publisher cancels the book, poof, no more contract.
02-20-2017 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Not to make light of pedophilia. A FW was shot in the gut a month ago today. It's been a serious story since then.



If other news, it seems the M.Yiannopoulos fan is an UW student. He's on video, amped up and saying "“They have to start it! They have to start it!”. It's not clear if the shooter is the student or his wife. A subpoena found both their cells wiped.

And "University of Washington students have been dealing with doxing, dangerous encounters, and general transphobia or racism since the incident."
I'm very willing to accept I was wrong not to treat this thread more seriously earlier. I generally avoid vacuous celebrities and everything they say and do. I will visit more often now and would appreciate people reporting offending posts.
02-20-2017 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
So I'm not sure if his niche appeal as "The GamerGate gay guy" and "the college republican white supremacist speaker" are going to overcome the "guy who thinks it's OK to **** 13 year olds" as his brand going forward, and I'm not sure if there's a huge appeal to be the outlet that publishes offbrand NAMBLA guys with the defense "oh, yeah, the kid stuff... but what if I told you he hates women?"
That's a reasonable sounding theory. However, we have seen republicans bring the country to the edge of crisis on the fiscal cliff, gerrymander like crazy, say all sorts of outlandishly offensive things against women, and refuse to fill a SCOTUS seat- all apparently without hurting their brand. They have all three branches of government and 2/3 of governorships. Milo is a not a politician but he is on the right, and the right seems to have no shame. To offend the right you have to do something radically against their philosophy, like give a damn about your fellow countrymen.

Abusing children, however, is right in line with the right wing because children are weak, and the exploitation of the weak is probably the most dominant theme in right wing philosophy.
02-20-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
No, they couldn't. Unless they bought it for a lump sum or something, which would be extraordinarily unusual. They almost certainly have some sort of royalty agreement in place. And the contract works both ways. Milo agrees to deliver a book about an agreed upon topic on time. Simon and Schuster agree to publish the book. Once the publisher cancels the book, poof, no more contract.
This is easily refutable as there are multiple cases where record companies have had incomplete recordings by artists in their vaults that courts settled in their favor. It's dependent if Milo retained copyright privileges or not. A lot of people who aren't known commodities who want to get their books publish sign away copyright to their material to publishers.
02-20-2017 , 10:54 PM
They sign away copyright in exchange for the work being published and future royalties. That's the contract.

But what I'm saying is easily refutable? Cool. Go ahead and refute it. Let's see some links.
02-20-2017 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wil, I've posted 4 studies about the gay community from between 2003 and 2011. They have used over a hundred thousand people to conduct these studies. Your study is from 1978, in just one area, with under one thousand respondents. It came before AIDS was discovered. Do you see how your findings might be a little less relevant than the ones I have posted?

I'm pretty sure we're about a day away from Wil arguing in favor of the earth being flat like that one dude from OOT. Maybe he'll go for Noah's Arc being literal, he already has a citation for that!
I'm 1 step ahead.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...guing-1647401/
02-20-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

Derping it up!
How can anyone rational person who is paying attention to what's happening in the world right now disregard this? The political class made their decisions for the future of the Western world and the people of the Western world resoundingly rejected it.

We will know more shortly, with what happens in France. If marine Le pen wins, that's another step in a direction.

The Chinese are openly talking about conflict. The Russians are openly talking about conflict. The US Navy just sent an aircraft carrier into the south China Sea

Wake. Up.
02-20-2017 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
They sign away copyright in exchange for the work being published and future royalties. That's the contract.

But what I'm saying is easily refutable? Cool. Go ahead and refute it. Let's see some links.
http://www.authorsalliance.org/2014/...ownership-faq/

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Apart from works made for hire, do authors always own their copyrights

No. Where the work made for hire doctrine does not apply, authors may start out as copyright owners but give or sell their copyrights to others. Indeed, the practice of authors transferring their copyrights to publishers has been commonplace since the Statute of Anne first granted copyrights to authors. Authors might sell their copyrights to publishers for a lump sum, or for royalties based on how many books the publisher sells, or a combination of the two. In today’s academic publishing environment, for example, authors frequently transfer their copyrights to journal publishers for free—realizing their rewards in terms of publication in a prestigious outlet as opposed to direct monetary gain. What publishers get in exchange is the ability to control when and how many copies are published, at what prices those copies are offered in the market, under what circumstances new editions are produced, and more.
Like I said, it is dependent on what S and S and Milo Y. agreed to.

      
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