Your guessing is exactly backwards. Entitlement is the realm of the conservative, who attribute every success to themselves alone and every failure to bad luck or minorities. Liberals feel guilty about everything they have that someone else doesn't, and so they tip more to make up the difference.

Dude, you often seem confused on this very simple issue.

LTers (including libertarians) are a subset of conservatives. In fact, they are the far right wing of the right wing. Reminder: LTism is a quite recent, and historically documented, astro-turf pseudo-movement. Follow the money.

LTers are overwhelmingly a particular demographic, certain behavior level traits strongly correlate, and they are typically prone to outing themselves verbally... often in awkward to inappropriate contexts. Simply put: youz guyz love to evangelize. You're very easy to spot (or out)... everyone knows who you are.

Obviously LOL sample size. My customer side, dividing up the bill kinda experience, is LTers resent the tipping custom as feeling too much like a 'tax' in their mind... but being sheeple can be cajoled into splitting a standard 15% tip.

Your probably right. And I agree it would be interesting to see political affiliation included in a tipping study.

Obviously I have a very different experience then you two. In my experience you are both 100% wrong. But that's my experience.

But saying that libertarians are no more than a subset of conservatives, let alone the far right, is just objectively wrong. You clearly have a strong bias here. Libertarians disagree with conservatives almost as much as they disagree with liberals.

In my experience the best tippers were gay men. Smokers were usually better tippers than nons. Always made more money in the smoking sections.

This is all interesting. But this discussion is a missing THE key factor in how people tip: Age.

In general people in there 20s, 30s, and 40s tip much better then people who are 50+. Ask any server about this and they'll agree. Obviously there's lots of exceptions but this is the best indicator of expected tip percentage in my years of experience.

So we can say Republicans generally tip worse than Democrats, but since most old people are Republicans we're really not saying much. I've always assumed the reasoning behind this is that a 10% was standard 30 years ago, but I've never looked into it.

No one has called me a "racist" or "bigot" in a couple of months now. I am starting to feel left out.

Bump for implicit biases.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/08...html?referrer=

Jesus even a thread about racism can turn into a tipping thread on 2+2.

Well hey, OP allegedly received a few cents less on his tips than to which he felt entitled. Since he is presumably white, what he feels entitled to is worthy of serious discussion. Also, the theft of black people's wealth and their their unfair exclusion from and restriction in the economy has no place in that discussion either.

Deuce, is this because I think you're a little batty with the 911 stuff? I mean, I don't even poke fun at you about it.

No I just think that, in this country, the baseline thinking about a lot of issues, which you sometimes represent rather emblematically, is absurd beyond description. Race is one of those issues. I've called out wookie on it too (who conservatives think is despotic in his liberalism) while I knew he was looking to ban me, so it's not like I go soft on the issue or moderate myself for anyone. I don't have a grudge against you or anything.

I see what you're getting at, and the discussion on tipping did go pretty long. Why I brought it up, and part of the reason for the thread is to try and get a better sense of what is meant when we use the terms racism and racist. As it is right now, the words could not have much less clear meanings, so discussions on solutions are handicapped from the start.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/fer...r-racial-bias/

The above article is an interesting piece going over reasons everyone should expand the definition of racism from it's traditional, more personal use, to the way you and many others in this forum have been using it to describe not only personal feelings, but also disparate outcomes and systemic flaws.

I'm very open to that use and believe it could help us find solutions; however, everyone should also keep in mind how that changes the terms of the discussion. For example, when referring to systematic forms of racism that have nothing to do with personal feelings of racial animus or superiority, while often very tempting, it makes no sense and is, in fact, very counterproductive to treat people who disagree with your great ideas as if they do possess such feelings of animus or superiority. Close arguments quickly devolve into misunderstandings and we get statements like, "Conservatives are racist and just think blacks should know their place," which is nothing but divisive and unhelpful.

There certainly are two sides to every coin, and the above is a good illustration. Of course, a similar set of contradictions could easily be written about liberalism. That's because neither side's ideology fits well in every situation, and when forced, each tends to create it's own set of problems. It takes good, responsible leaders who know how to compromise to acheive best results. That, in turn, takes a good, honest electorate who are willing to respect and listen to one another.

Lolz, most of the cherished list are fairy tails.

It's even worse, they are empty words presented for political reasons. At least fairy tales are entertaining and imaginative.

I think I have found your problem. There is an interaction there which is very important.

It is a natural spot for misunderstanding and misrepresentation.

wo rds

Wedge politics. You say you are the most for freedom and the other people, those people, hate freedom. You say you are the most personally responsible and the other people, those people use fancy political talk to trick ya. I have a hot, young small government for sale, the other guy's government is ugly and worn out. Plus those people are lazy and just wanna give away freebies, unlike us hard real hard working patriots.

Words are paradoxical in an important way, they can be empty and yet still contain the appearance of depth that gives partial meaning. Is it a puddle or an axle-breaking pot hole? This works both ways.

Do you mean "you" in some new innovative way?

I'd appreciate if your responses to me were related in some way to what I said.

It's the rhetorical 'you' not literally you. My post is on the topic of the current conversation in the thread.

Student council at a university in South Africa voted to expel all Jews.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...to-expel-jews/