chezlaw is deleting comments critical of Freddie DeBoer lol. Honorary SMP status bestowed based on his shared loathing of the SJW race traitors, I guess.

You have repeatedly told liberals to stop calling things racist they think are racist, FoldN, to the point where you made a self-moderated thread and banned me from it.

So ****ing bad at the con.

I would prefer if there were no moderation, if for no other reason to let fly expose what I'm talking about.

I guess his comment about me watching Youtubes and then spouting race/intelligence theories within 18 months was deleted, and I wanted to respond to it, so I will anyway:

This is the hilariously off base trope promoted by many of over-the-top woke who try to enforce the social justice orthodoxy through cynical and dishonest means.

Almost none of the "alt-right" creators on youtube are actually like richard spencer. I fact, most of what are better characterized as "anti-SJWs" abhor and mock him as a the identitarian he is, and view him as the flip side of the identitarian SJWs.

This may seem like it's silly and unimportant, but it's how millions of kids are learning politics.

Time's Most Influential People on the Internet has Laci Green at number four on their list:

Laci used to be among the "SJW" who were roundly criticized by the antis, until recently when she decided to reach out and host conversations with them. She has been almost unanimously welcomed by the anti side, and very widely criticized by the SJW side, who only see hate on the other side, not recognizing they are blinded by their own. Now Laci's 1.5 MM subs will have a chance to see what she has seen, and a crack in the dogma awaits.

This was due to some previous discussions she had with one of them going well, perhaps also due to her now dating one of them, and clearly also because of the overwhelming number of critics and their subscribers who see through the orthodoxy. I'm sure it didn't help when the biggest Youtuber of all (currently with 56 MM subs) and 9th on Time's Most Influential People on the Internet list, Pewdiepie, was portrayed as a white supremacist in a hack attack by the always jealous and SJW ridden MSM. No doubt the huge majority of his fans were put off by that, which likely added many more to the anti-SJW ranks.

The kids got this. The orthodoxy will eventually crumble, and hopefully it will reemerge as something much better and more liberal minded. Let's just hope it doesn't take too long!

Your post was deleted for objectionable content about autism. It was nothign to do with who it was directed at.

LOL FoldN you're like 40 and you're ****ing watching Minecraft let's plays for your politics, and you're eagerly sharing us the dishy dirty on ****ing Youtube personalities like anyone could possibly give a ****.

But real quick

oh wow how hackish and SJW but real quick can you explain which SJW-ridden MSM publication did that, and how and why they managed to portay him as such?

"woke" is an adjective, not a noun.

Disruption of describing racism is confronted. Tell the college students.

FoldN hanging out at pewdiepie's channel like

Hahaha, Foldn, what about the fruitlessness and banging-head-on-wall nature of arguing with people who don't give any ****s at all if the evidence they present is accurate, then slink away and pretend it never happened when called on it?

He's written multiple posts now about Laci Green's sex life and assures us this is important based on a list where someone with 1.5m YouTube subs is the 4th most influential person on the internet (!!!!!).

WAIT WAIT LOL

I CLICKED FOLDN'S TIME LINK

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The only reason you say this is because you believe they are just joking about their racism, which is an incredibly stupid thing to believe when they support banning Muslims from the US.

As far as I know Laci Green is one of those youtubers who can't decide if their audience is five or twenty five and makes ten minute overviews of a bunch of topics loosely feminist.

Why am I supposed to have this idea that because she's possibly vaguely on "my side" that I'm obliged to accept whatever she has to say on anything?

Foldn's whole take here is incoherent.

You love these anti-SJWs, right? So what are you complaining about? Isn't this exactly what you want?

Or you don't like them and think we should...do what?

My guess is that we're supposed to be mad about Laci's choice of sexual partners, or mad about the fact that "our" "4th most influential person on the internet" (hahaha) is being pulled to the other side; Foldn failed to realize that none of us care

You're wrong, as I've spent plenty of time explaining. Scientific reasoning and the entire backbone of liberal civilization depends on freedom of thought and speech, not just the laws designed to protect it from the state. Mill disagrees with you too.

(my bold)

Mill goes on to outline a very strong defense of free speech as a tool to find truth create knowledge. I recommend you read the chapter. http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html

Just a bunch of perfectly normal grownup adultmen having a grownup chat about pewdiepie youtubes, nothing weird going on in this thread.

Hmm, ok so they're all part of the top 30 most influential people on the internet, in no particular order... ok. I guess that still probably puts old Pewds near the top, since he still has the most subs on Youtube. I remember when Dids and you guys dismissed cable news in similar clueless fashion, bragged that you had the internet new media. Well Dids ain't here anymore, shocked at how out of touch he was, I suppose. I hope yall hang around though.

Without getting into your typical lying here ("Dids and you guys", assigning views to me that I've never written any posts about, just like earlier when you lied about me posting about "alt-right boogiemen"): you're a 40 year old watching gamer videos on Youtube and obsessively following the sex lives of nobodies half your age to breathlessly report back to this thread on. Who exactly is "out of touch" here?

Dude Condoleeza Rice ****ing decided herself not to speak.

Yeah, they sound like massive *******s.

So when are you free speech absolutists going to get to the free speech rights of the regular workers at those evil liberal colleges and Walmart. Like if i go to the airport to pick up ann coulter and i tell her she is an asshat on the way to drop her off at berkeley and get fired for insubordination. The proud boys will be there in my defense right?

Yeah this is where we always get back to. FoldN posts these rambling nonsensical bits about how free speech and rational inquiry are vital and blah blah blah.

What's the threat to those, again? What exactly is the problem here, and what is the proposed solution?

It's all just whining that he knows that if he shares his thoughts on the gays people will call him mean names and it might take a little while before chezlaw comes along to delete those posts.

Dang. Condoleftist Rice ?

I've read all of On Liberty even though Mill is boring as ****. The coercion only happens with violence, which in itself is already illegal for a citizen. The state has a monopoly on violence. Your misunderstanding of the heckler's veto is a misunderstanding.

Only the state can suppress speech. The closest example to non-government suppression of speech would be liable laws and things like Ag-gag laws which allow for civil punishment for speech, but enforcement always comes down to the state and at least the Ag-gag laws are pretty clear violations of free speech imo, it's just that we're living in an oligarchy not really a free liberal democracy.

But you're not talking about coercion here. You're talking about other people using their speech that you want to shut down. I don't think anyone at all has suggested that violence or even threats of violence against conservative speakers should be legal. I might go so far as to say sometimes violence is actually called for. Punching a Nazi may be the right thing to do, but it should still be illegal at this point anyway.