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07-21-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
We are not going to debate Trump's intelligence level. He was smart enough to get elected President - it directly refutes your assertion that he is dumb.
No it doesn't.

First, even if I were to accept that intelligence was necessary to get elected president, as you are so fond of pointing out the election was essentially a binary choice. So all his winning the election would prove is that he was smarter than Hillary Clinton.

Second, there's no compelling reason why one would need to be smart in order to be elected President.

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
1) Great policy. It's why he got elected.
Okay, although it's worth noting that it's a) not really the policy he ran on, but a super watered down version of it and b) in effect now, for some reason, although it was originally supposed to be for 90 days while we "figure out what is going on".

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You don't like it, have your party run better candidates. It might help if they don't call their opponents deplorable.
This is a non sequitur.

1) I'm not a member of any party.
2) I have no control over what candidates run.
3) It has nothing to do with the subject of the question that I answered, which was "what policies has Trump implemented that you don't like?"

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
2) I don't know - Google can do it but Comcast can't? http://time.com/4724128/donald-trump...owser-history/ I mean, I guess I don't like it. I assume both Google and Comcast anonymize the data sets before advertisers can purchase them. Buying Paul Ryan's browsing history" is a strawman.
I don't want Google doing it either. I don't think it is required for it to be anonymized although if you have a source stating otherwise I'll be happy to look at it.

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3) I don't think Trump will go along with this. Jury is still out.
Well, okay. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
4) Once again, run a better candidate. When Trump builds the wall and it costs too much, have your new candidate point that out. Seems to be working so far.
Again, regarding bolded: I don't run candidates, I'm just a guy on the internet. Also it has nothing to do with whether I like the policy or not. My liking for the policy exists independent of candidates.

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5) I didn't want Obamacare to become law. It's been a disaster for me.
Okay. I'm not sure if that is meant to be support for the laws that have been proposed in Congress so I'm not sure how to respond to it.
07-21-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Yes. If that mindset "dominates discourse" about those subjects in the real world you should be able to provide an example that isn't some college kid.



Why? Because the college kids are going to come find me?



What? You think he is calling them "terrible ones" because they "provide legitimate criticisms"?



Yeah I heavily dispute that randoms are important. They are randoms. All kinds of random people do all sorts of random stupid still all the time and none of it matters.

A "serious civil rights activist" is some sort of prominent, respected voice. Not a random college kid. Not some protester screaming. Come on man.



I have no idea who Fly is in real life so for all I know he is a "serious civil rights activist" but like the persona FlyWf on 2+2 obviously isn't. If you tried to give a FlyWf post as an example of a "serious civil rights activist" doing X that would be ridiculous. HE'S JUST SOME RANDOM ON THE INTERNET!



I just think you have a vastly inflated sense of
a) the importance of randoms
b) the ability of anyone to control the actions of randoms
I don't know what to tell you. It's a collection of "randoms" who make up the entire social justice movement, and good luck finding a prominent leader who actually speaks for any of them.

That seems to be the dodge that is always made to these sorts of critiques... err, those students kidnapping administrators and their professors who encourage it don't represent the movement, those guys shouting fry pigs don't represent the movement, those nobodies on twitter and youtube (with hundreds of thousands of subs) who apparently only alt-right youtubers are criticizing don't represent the movement, those masked men throwing bricks and feces at cops don't represent the movement, yeah we like Fly and the various unserious trolls who also don't represent the movement, btw did you know it's just evil right wingers who pay attention to any of that? Shut up about it and you can be a part of our real serious movement that nobody knows about, and we'll berate the **** out of you if you claim anyone else is serious but us, or something.
07-21-2017 , 01:56 PM
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That seems to be the dodge that is always made to these sorts of critiques... err, those students kidnapping administrators and their professors who encourage it don't represent the movement
Hold on, that this is a cohesive social movement is exactly the idea you're trying to establish, isn't it? I'm not sure but it seems like it should be a key part of it.

And do we have examples of administrators being kidnapped? Sounds like a crime occurred.
07-21-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Outside of this forum I don't follow anything about US campuses and their internal politics, so forgive me if I know nothing about Evergreen (as in, not even sure where it is, never mind the political climate of that area).
Evergreen State is in Olympia, WA, not a million miles from Seattle (about 60 miles, actually), in a faux-liberal Democrat sort of area -- think Frasier -- and it was founded in 1967, the Summer of Lurve, as an 'experimental' liberal arts college. It is non-selective, it has about a 98% acceptance rate, and its official motto is 'Omnia Extares' ('Let It All Hang Out').

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ev..._State_College

It is arguably not all that typical.
07-21-2017 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I don't know what to tell you. It's a collection of "randoms" who make up the entire social justice movement, and good luck finding a prominent leader who actually speaks for any of them.

That seems to be the dodge that is always made to these sorts of critiques... err, those students kidnapping administrators and their professors who encourage it don't represent the movement, those guys shouting fry pigs don't represent the movement, those nobodies on twitter and youtube (with hundreds of thousands of subs) who apparently only alt-right youtubers are criticizing don't represent the movement, those masked men throwing bricks and feces at cops don't represent the movement, yeah we like Fly and the various unserious trolls who also don't represent the movement, btw did you know it's just evil right wingers who pay attention to any of that? Shut up about it and you can be a part of our real serious movement that nobody knows about, and we'll berate the **** out of you if you claim anyone else is serious but us, or something.
Yeah.. you've just identified the problem with your own argument. A movement with no leaders is not a "real serious movement".
07-21-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Evergreen State is in Olympia, WA, not a million miles from Seattle (about 60 miles, actually), in a faux-liberal Democrat sort of area -- think Frasier -- and it was founded in 1967, the Summer of Lurve, as an 'experimental' liberal arts college. It is non-selective, it has about a 98% acceptance rate, and its official motto is 'Omnia Extares' ('Let It All Hang Out').

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ev..._State_College

It is arguably not all that typical.
'Special snowflake' of a school, counterpart to the likes of Liberty University, a religious right -rooted school. It's definitely not Cornfield Sports University.
07-21-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Uh, what, how are they flatly and obviously not true. I mean, if you consider that "right of center" represents ~50% of Americans and that then doesn't... that... support the view that Fold'n is both not significantly right of the American center and not dumber than average.
The American 'centre' is so far right it's out of sight.

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Yeah I'm not really trying to defend Republican centrists here.
Stop doing it, then.

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07-21-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Hold on, that this is a cohesive social movement is exactly the idea you're trying to establish, isn't it? I'm not sure but it seems like it should be a key part of it.

And do we have examples of administrators being kidnapped? Sounds like a crime occurred.
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Evergreen State is in Olympia, WA, not a million miles from Seattle (about 60 miles, actually), in a faux-liberal Democrat sort of area -- think Frasier -- and it was founded in 1967, the Summer of Lurve, as an 'experimental' liberal arts college. It is non-selective, it has about a 98% acceptance rate, and its official motto is 'Omnia Extares' ('Let It All Hang Out').

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ev..._State_College

It is arguably not all that typical.
Let the obfuscation begin.... Evergreen just one more example of what apparently only the alt-right trolls will bother to pay attention to or criticize, and you two should definitely not watch a Vice video or try to read up on, because if you were to accept any of it as a representation of the actual "serious" social justice movement, like say the Women's March, where protesters wore pink pussy hats and feminist "nobody" Linda Sarsour, who wants to take away Ayan Hirsi Ali's vagina, spoke, then you would be for sure be ostracized from the serious peoples group where serious action is done. I'd provide more links for you, but you won't read them for your own mental health.

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Stop doing it, then.
Very good.
07-21-2017 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
The American 'centre' is so far right it's out of sight.
I made this point...

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Stop doing it, then.
wat

Where did I do it?
07-21-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Linda Sarsour, who wants to take away Ayan Hirsi Ali's vagina
God damn it.

Okay, FlyWf. You were right.
07-21-2017 , 02:40 PM
That's not even the best part! Did you know ladies at the women's march wore pink pussy hats!? Dear sweet Lord, someone needs to stop these radical leftoterroristas! :P

Last edited by well named; 07-21-2017 at 02:40 PM. Reason: I did not wear a pink pussy hat to the women's march I attended. I did have a "this is what a feminist looks like" sign
07-21-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
That's not even the best part! Did you know ladies at the women's march wore pink pussy hats!? Dear sweet Lord, someone needs to stop these radical leftoterroristas! :P
Do you think Pink Pussy Hats resonate with the electorate?
07-21-2017 , 02:44 PM
I thought they were quite fetching, but the question seems irrelevant. Pink pussy hats might be questionable social movement framing but it's definitely not some kind of beyond the pale radicalism that should have us all worried about the future of our society. You have this problem where you're always trying to change the subject.
07-21-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
'You don't punch Nazis,' eh? As I've mentioned before, I come from an RAF family. You will perhaps recall what the Third Reich looked like in 1945 after the RAF had finished with it. It looked like the face of the ****ing Moon. That's what Nazis have coming to them. Except in the United States, apparently, where they're just fine.
The problem is when you call everybody you don't like a Nazi. I was just using shorthand.

This type of attitude will bring about the the jack booted thugs you are so violently opposed to.
07-21-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey


1) I'm not a member of any party.
2) I have no control over what candidates run.
3) It has nothing to do with the subject of the question that I answered, which was "what policies has Trump implemented that you don't like?"



I don't want Google doing it either. I don't think it is required for it to be anonymized although if you have a source stating otherwise I'll be happy to look at it.



Well, okay. Time will tell.



Again, regarding bolded: I don't run candidates, I'm just a guy on the internet. Also it has nothing to do with whether I like the policy or not. My liking for the policy exists independent of candidates.



Okay. I'm not sure if that is meant to be support for the laws that have been proposed in Congress so I'm not sure how to respond to it.
You asked what YOU could do about it. I'm telling you - work with the party you support to run better candidates. Or don't. So far, people seem to think Trump is doing what he said he was going to do. Nobody is perfect, but it's not like he got elected to office and then said "Surprise, open borders for everyone! Suckers!"
07-21-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I thought they were quite fetching, but the question seems irrelevant. Pink pussy hats might be questionable social movement framing but it's definitely not some kind of beyond the pale radicalism that should have us all worried about the future of our society. You have this problem where you're always trying to change the subject.
You brought up the pussy hats. I'm just telling you that it's not persuasive.

Well, it is persuasive, but against the interests of those wearing them.
07-21-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You brought up the pussy hats.
No, I didn't.
07-21-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You asked what YOU could do about it. I'm telling you - work with the party you support to run better candidates. Or don't.
Oh, okay, fine I guess but it seemed like you mixed that in with the question about what Trump policies I didn't like which, again, is a completely separate question.

Related to the "what should I do" question, do you think there is any particular reason that I should stop criticizing Trump on the internet?

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
So far, people seem to think Trump is doing what he said he was going to do. Nobody is perfect, but it's not like he got elected to office and then said "Surprise, open borders for everyone! Suckers!"
They do? I mean, he's certainly trying to do things he said he would do but it doesn't seem very successful. Also, if he does something I don't like, the fact that he said he was going to do it before the election isn't going to make me like it more.
07-21-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Do you think Pink Pussy Hats resonate with the electorate?
JiggyMinding 'the electorate's' opinions of vaginas.
07-21-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You brought up the pussy hats. I'm just telling you that it's not persuasive.

Well, it is persuasive, but against the interests of those wearing them.
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Originally Posted by well named
No, I didn't.
FoldnDark brought up the pussy hats.
07-21-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
More radicalization. All we care about is what Trump does. The Left wants to bring up "Rush-ah, Rush-ah, Rush-ah". You'd be much more effective if you were on the "He's effective, but we don't like his policies" bandwagon. It's coming by the end of summer anyway.
Effective at what?

And we do oppose his policies! We ****ing marched in the street over the Muslim ban. Remember that? You filled your Depends over it? Ringing a bell?

Direct action and thousands of phone calls just ****ed up his plan to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a policy that he's literally too ****ing stupid to understand. Which you like, because you're also too stupid to understand it, and having the President be just as dumb as you are instead of an intimidating educated black man is your Safe Space.
07-21-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Let the obfuscation begin.... Evergreen just one more example of what apparently only the alt-right trolls will bother to pay attention to or criticize, and you two should definitely not watch a Vice video or try to read up on, because if you were to accept any of it as a representation of the actual "serious" social justice movement, like say the Women's March, where protesters wore pink pussy hats and feminist "nobody" Linda Sarsour, who wants to take away Ayan Hirsi Ali's vagina, spoke, then you would be for sure be ostracized from the serious peoples group where serious action is done. I'd provide more links for you, but you won't read them for your own mental health.
Slow down. All I've asked is for you to provide context for your example e.g. what started it all, what's it all about, why it shows whatever you think it shows, before I feel the need to look into it. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be looking into yet!

And your response is to accuse me of "obfuscation" (how asking you to explain whatever you're talking about can ever be that, I don't know), hand me another link, and bring up two new names in Linda Sarsour and Ayan Hirsi Ali.

Do you see how we've gone from just asking you to present your case into you bombarding me with info that you haven't explained the relevance of?

You brought up Evergreen. I asked you what it's about and why it's relevant. You've responded with no explanation of your own, but more links and names for me to have to research in order to hopefully figure out what you're talking about. And, if I don't, you're going to claim victory or that I refused to accept your example of Evergreen.

This is turning quickly into a Gish gallop, and I'm trying to help you avoid that.
07-21-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
No, I didn't.
This not you?

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Originally Posted by well named
That's not even the best part! Did you know ladies at the women's march wore pink pussy hats!? Dear sweet Lord, someone needs to stop these radical leftoterroristas! :P
07-21-2017 , 02:58 PM
Someone get out the laudanum and fainting couches, the delicate ears of Trump voters heard the word "pussy!"
07-21-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Richard Dawkins deplatformed at Berkley.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...medium=twitter

This is a good look for you Leftists. Keep it up.
It's excellent work they do. The children are our future.

      
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