lol at calling anybody else brainwashed when you're pimping a Stefan Molyneux uToob.

i mean come on, the jezebel commentariat knows better than most of you guys on this. you really gonna take that?

Random quote i found

"What do the above statistics tell us about fathers and child custody? For some reason the vast majority of fathers are behaving in a way that is not in their best interest or the best interest of their children. Fathers may be giving up equal or shared custody because they’ve heard there is a gender bias, that mothers always win custody. They may give up more custody because they’ve been taught that “children need their mother.”

Lets say this is true. Why arent there big campaigns encouraging fathers to be with their kids. In the same way we are pushing for more women in male centric areas why arent there a push for men in the opposite way?

u2

Seriously guys. All you have to do is equate murder and rape with shoving and slapping, and then obviously men are more abused. Do the research.

Lol, I was just trolling the kid. Hard to take MRAs seriously.

well considering murder is only found in a small percentage of DV cases, it's only a little relevant.

Did this imbecile really say this?

You've gone pretty quickly from "men dont have the same rights when it comes to custody" to grasping at straws trying to explain why the facts don't support your position.

You neglected to include the statistics in question, one of which is that "only 4 percent of custody cases went to trial" which kind of blows a hole in your whole theory. Most fathers don't want sole custody. Most mothers do want sole custody. The obvious outcome of this is not evidence that "men dont have the same rights when it comes to custody".

Here you go (Thanks, Obama!): http://fatherhood.gov/

ETA: Your random quote came from this article, whose author wrote another article (with the same statistics) called "Dispelling The Myth Of Gender Bias In The Family Court System"

just curious, what do you have against him, he seem like a nice d00d

yes she did. another favorite quote from a random feminist ''in ww1, british men were allowed to go and fight in french trenches while the women were forced to stay at home'' .

On "patriarchy"

"It's about violence against women, it is the same force regardless of group. It is men's violence against women, which reflects the power structures we have in society. This is also true in relationships between lesbian women: she that strikes is really a man"

i'm not really sure i'd go to bat for the general idea that a random woman who writes about divorce on about.com is a justified representation of all of feminism, which, itself, has to deal with its own catty internal bull**** before it has to deal with people like her, who is probably better characterized as the female representation of patriarchy.

I could read what you write all day without actually reading anything you say.

Edit...didn't realize the last two paragraphs were copy and pasted. Which kinda sucks because i was totally enthralled, but I still am pretty enthralled.



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He is yet another in a long string of self-aggrandizing con men from the idiot fringe of libertarianism who apparently drinks his own kool-aid. He's so bad he got called out for having terrible arguments by the ****ing Ludwig von Mises Institute. If you find yourself thinking Stefan Malloryeneauxeua says good things, you're like a half step away from going full InfoWars.

He also got owned with his MRA garbage when he was on the Joe Rogan show. He doesn't operate too well when he argues with someone half competent versus yelling at the Internet.

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Another classic from Stefan Molyneux



Where he somehow claims that there is far more single women than single me and that's why he focuses his powers of thought on the women. The MRA world is a complete bizarro land.

This is kinda how this thread has worked out

To bring it back for a minute, I'm still wanting more feedback about my perceptions of this class. Assume the following to be true:

1. I'm able to respectfully yet critically approach the topic of our professor choosing almost exclusively readings about men beating their spouse.

2. I'm the only guy in a class of 20 other women. I can't deny the existence of some bias/defensiveness motivating me, and likewise recognize how the sole male making counter claims will be perceived by some/all of the class of women.

3. IPV constitutes a wide variety of abuse forms, some more obscure including sexual coercion and psych abuse, and all forms have both genders in the aggressor role some significant % of the time. Well, except obv cases involving same-sex couples which, it seems, are more prone to IPV than straight couples are. No mention of this in any course material as of yet, just weakly referenced/sourced articles about dudes beating wives.

The graduate classroom is supposed to be a safe place to respectfully engage on otherwise contentious topics. I'm a social worker and, as such, I see myself far more as a feminist Ryan an LOL mens rights adv. But in this class the material is presented in such a skewed way, with the teacher using her role to soap box, that I just can't resist challenging it; more than ever now that I've done some independent study and found how wrong it is to make broad generalizations like, "IPV almost always involves women being victimized by men," especially when the studies referenced as support are hackjobs and data is wildly/purposefully taken out of context.

Am I really that out of line...?!

Controlling Domestic Violence Against Men
Charles E. Corry, Erin Pizzey and Martin S.
Fiebert

Published research indicates that 25%-30% of all intimate violence is exclusively
female on male. People hit and abuse family members because they can. In today’s society,
as reflected in TV, movies, law enforcement, courts, and feminist literature, women are
openly given permission to hit men. However, “Primary aggressor” laws usually result in the
arrest of the male despite research showing 50% of domestic assaults are mutual. Studies
consistently find women use weapons more often in assaults than do men (~80% for women;
~25% for men). Women are significantly more likely to throw an object, slap, kick, bite, or
hit with their fist or an object. There is no support in the present data for the hypothesis that
women use violence only in self-defense. Three common reasons women give for male
abuse
are: to resolve the argument; to respond to family crisis; and to “stop him bothering me.”
Self-defense, is one of the less-frequently stated reasons by women for their assaults.
Research shows that a gender-balanced approach to domestic violence is essential in order to
reduce both the frequency and severity of such incidents for both men and women. In order to
address these issues in an effective way, we must first recognise that domestic violence and
abuse are human problems, not gender issues. Central to the solution is the restoration of civil
liberties, notably due legal process and equality before the law, which provides the bedrock
for any democratic nation

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

you could also try to have this documentary showed in class.

Most importantly though you need to use this app and prepare yourself before stepping into the lions den.

http://lokaltog.github.io/tumblr-argument-generator/

LOL @ trying to take a stand against a professor to prove a point.

First of all you should stop making it a men against women thing. Your prof is obviously more interested in female on male violence (a) because it more prevalent, and (b) because she is a women and it's obviously going to be a more important topic to her. You can put forward the research for violence against men without taking anything away from violence against women.

Second, you should do the research and put forward the positive case for male abuse victims. There are gender study papers that research the topic and many feminists are sympathetic to the plight of men who are too ashamed to come forward with their abuse for fear of being ridiculed by other men.

Whatever you do don't try and be a smarmy douche trying to overthrow the misandrist conspiracy of silence on male victimhood. You are just going to turn people off from your point of view and as a graduate student you have an opportunity to produce research that can bring an awareness of male abuse to people who might not be as familiar with it.