Then your point is irrelevant to your previous claims. Liberals think gun control laws are a good idea because they think they would reduce gun-related violence and deaths, not because they think all gun owners are evil extremists.

Citation needed.

Again, it's disingenuous to pretend that political alignments from 90 years ago reflect the left/right divide in current US politics. The KKK is not, in the present, a "leftist" group. Nor the Neo-Nazis. Stalin and Mao are certainly still "left" by modern standards, but there are very few communists in the Stalinist/Maoist mold in US politics. Can you provide any example of political violence carried out by self-identifying communists in the last 20 years in the US?

Great. Then you should retract your original claim that the left embraces its violent members, since you are unwilling to actually support it.

The ethicist cited in your article is Richard Cohen. Is he not also a member of the left? I would say that he is, given his CV on wikipedia. So, you're arguing that the left embraces political violence while using an example of a person on the left censuring others on the left for expressing the view that it's OK to punch nazis. It doesn't seem like a very good case for you to cite.

Also, I think you should note some tension between arguing that nazis are left-wingers while also pointing out that left-wingers want to punch nazis.

Two sides of a ****ty coin.

CNN has said they won't release his name because:

1. He's a private citizen
2. He has issued an extensive statement of apology
3. Showed his remorse by taking down his offensive posts
4. Said he won't repeat his ugly behavior on social media.

They follow that list with:

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

The relevant law is: https://www.justice.gov/crt/conspiracy-against-rights

Now, that's from Assange and I'm not a lawyer so that's why I said I'd have to research further or ask my friend who is an attorney his legal opinion.

Clearly that guy was within his rights to say whatever he wanted to and to create the meme. And clearly, everything he did (deleting his posts, issuing the apology) was in reaction to CNN figuring out who he was and contacting him.

I doubt the 19 year old troll will run for public office, and if he comes out and speaks in light of the threat he's received from CNN, he's well-aware that his old posts will become public.

So my read is that CNN is threatening to Dox him if he doesn't exercise his free speech in a way they approve of. It's reprehensible even if it isn't illegal.

You're welcome to your own interpretation of what CNN said and what the law is, and I'm welcome to my interpretation of your intelligence.

The Left on campus are Marxists. So are BLM supporters. They often spout anti-capitalist rhetoric. Are you denying that most campuses are not run by Marxist professors?

Bull****. There is organized violence on the Left and I have provided many links so support such claims.


Yes, even a reasonable Leftist can no longer tolerate the political violence of the Left. As for Left wing Nazis (who wish to silence opposition with doxxing and political violence) wanting to punch Nazis, this is simply the Left projecting. Disagree with a Leftist and they will punish you.

The anti-Fascists of the future have in fact become the Fascists.

Left/right is not a party affiliation.

Dylann Roof's racist rants read in court.

He was a right wing extremist with all the usual talking points.


But when the KKK is now the left there is no point talking with you since you are not drinking the koolaid you are mainlining it.

Wait now they are on different sides. Both left i guess...

Yes, I would deny that most campuses are run by Marxist professors. Do you have any evidence of that?

Also, there is an obviously important distinction between being anti-capitalist or holding certain Marxist views about capitalism and society and endorsing violent revolution. Your claims are about violence. That said, I doubt that even a plurality of professors identify as Marxist in any sense, and I doubt that a significant number of college administrators do either.

Your claim was that the left embraces its violent members. It's not sufficient only to demonstrate that there exist violent people with leftist ideologies. You have to show that "the left" embraces them in some general way. You haven't done so. You also haven't really shown much in the way of "organization" to left wing violence.

This is no different then if I claimed that the right embraces its violent members and tried to demonstrate it by linking you to examples of violence motivated by right-wing ideologies. It would not be sufficient to point you in the direction of those examples, or to the existence of various right-wing militia groups. I would need to show that the more mainstream right has embraced those groups. I assume you would agree with this point if we were debating whether or not the conservative movement in general embraces violence.

CNN has the right to publish what they want to publish.


Conspiracy against rights? What right is being conspired against? There's no "right to remain anonymous on the internet."

So what? CNN has every right to investigate who made the meme and report on it.

So you think all his choices should be consequence-free forever and always? CNN reports on actual KKK members and they manage to get by okay.

Printing someone's name isn't doxxing. It's reporting.

A bunch of right-wingers are fawning over some guy who surreptitiously videotaped private conversations, edited them for maximum damage and broadcast them to millions. But CNN is "breaking the law" because they looked at public posts and figured out who someone was? Give me a break.

When someone tells David Duke, the KKK, and the other white supremacists leaders they voted for the wrong party/guy and that they are really leftists dem commies they are going to be pissed.

I did not say plurality, just run by -
Some old stats:
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/...valence_1.html

(That said, in context here - Marxist = Communist)

Check out Dave Rubin's interviews with several college professors:


Professor arrested in Bike Lock attack:
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/2...oakland-court/

I don't think CNN should print the guy's name, fwiw. Or, at least it seems like something other than journalism to have this weird negotiation about it, threatening to publish unless an apology is issued. If his identity is newsworthy then it would be newsworthy regardless of whether or not he apologized, and if it's not newsworthy then it's also still not newsworthy even if he refuses to apologize. I don't think it's particularly newsworthy, so I don't think they should publish it, but in any case I don't think journalists should use the possibility as some kind of negotiating tactic.

Can you oppose immigration for non-racist reasons? Or is Bill Gates now a KKK member in your book?

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/...13093ba9c7294e

And you know David Duke was a Democrat when he was a KKK member, yes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

The kkk is the side for taking black lives- which is ****ty.

BLM is the side for protecting black lives from being taken, which is not ****ty.

Jiggy: the paper cited by your link says that 3% of all college professors identify as Marxist. The same author published an article in the Chronicle of Higher Ed. a few years ago where he claimed the number was 5%.

What makes you think that very small minority is actually running most universities? I'm not going to listen to your interview (even if the link gets fixed). If you think there is some relevant data cited within, feel free to summarize it and give me some rough timestamp.

This. I hate to say it - but they were better off publishing his name, if they wanted to go down this rabbit hole. The internet probably would have reacted the same, but ooooh boy, they made it sooo much worse.

As Scott Adams said today....it's as if CNN had just doused themselves with gasoline and decided "You know what we should do, play with matches."

Like i said you mainline to much.

There is zero evidence that this happened. CNN claimed that the individual deleted his account and apologized before even talking with CNN. Please don't fall for the right wing attempt to reframe this story.

The irony is that the dumb right wingers who have tried to turn this into a blackmail story have made the guy's name actually newsworthy.

Fair enough. I think I read that this had happened in the main forum, and I just trusted which ever poster said it to be correct :P

I fixed the link to the relevant timestamp. Also, I should have pulled out the relevant stats (the 3% aggregate is not relevant).

Complaints about 1/5th of social science professors being Marxists seems to have little to do with your claim that Marxists run universities. Social science professors do not run universities. I am married to one.

Bull****!

It does not appear to me that this interviewee provides any support for your claim that marxists run universities.

Of course. But they chose not to publish it, so long as he doesn't act like a bad boy in the future. That is a threat against his privileges protected by the first amendment.

His first amendment rights. I thought that was obvious. And the conspiracy would involve the negotiations they seemed to have entered into with the Meme maker.

Yes 13ball, that's exactly what I think and it's what I've said

Distinction without a difference. Printing his real name is doxxing.

Ummm ok? And no, that's not where they'd potentially be breaking the law. Either you didn't read the law I linked, or you don't understand it.


Exactly this.

Are you suggesting that Progressivism isn't the prevailing culture on college campuses?

Marxism = Communism = Progressivism - all similar thought.

No. I am claiming that Marxism is not a prevalent political ideology on college campuses. Your own link substantiates that claim.

Nonsense.

You're contorting yourself into pretzels to try to avoid having to concede the point. Remember, we began this conversation talking about political violence. You brought up Marxism in the form of Maoism or Stalinism to make the claim that violence is mainstream on the left. Now you are trying to support your claim by equivocating between Stalinists and Progressives, which is utter nonsense, equivalent to the claim that all conservatives are neo-nazis.