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02-24-2014 , 03:14 PM
I'm picturing a reality show where Bahbah, Adios and Silverbug all get a house together. Try to imagine the conversations. Just a fascinating insight into racist, misogynist, selfish man-childs.

I'd watch it.
02-24-2014 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Benholio
Who cares if something is true if it fits your worldview already, right?

Gore has given up millions of dollars of his earnings to fund non-profit climate education groups. I guess that counts as giving up some of your luxuries.

It's hilarious that you fault 'stingy liberals' for not feeding the hungry when conservative politicians just succeeded to cut $8.9b from the food stamp budget. (After trying $40b and $20b)
But most conservatives aren't trying to use a gun to get me to feed the hungry. They use a gun to get me to fund the military or whatever.

Trying to force someone else to fix a problem you won't try to fix voluntarily makes you a piece of ****, and a violent animal.
02-24-2014 , 03:42 PM
Latest word on NPR is that the extreme weather-induced droughts and ensuing larger than normal wildfires have cost an extra $1 billion in firefighting funds this year that had to be yanked from other areas of budgets.

Looks like one way or another tax payers are gonna be on the hook for this.
02-24-2014 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
But most conservatives aren't trying to use a gun to get me to feed the hungry. They use a gun to get me to fund the military or whatever.

Trying to force someone else to fix a problem you won't try to fix voluntarily makes you a piece of ****, and a violent animal.
02-24-2014 , 09:46 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...e-krauthammer/


""How ironic, then, that some environmental activists launched a petition urging the Post not to publish Krauthammer’s column on Friday.""

""Their response to opinions they disagree with is to suppress the speech.""

""Instead, these folks believe that censorship is preferable. Why engage Krauthammer when they might just be able to employ pressure tactics to silence him? And what’s the difference between this and shouting down a speaker at a town hall?""

"Krauthammer told me the petition-signers “showed up just in time to make precisely the point I made in the column.”

""When it comes to free speech, he says, “they don’t even hide it anymore. Now they proudly want certain arguments banished from discourse. The next step is book burning. So the question of the day is: Can you light a Kindle?""


Climate people...They are worse than the femi-nazis lol.
02-24-2014 , 10:09 PM
Did somebody really just type "femi-nazis" unironically?
02-24-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
you actually seem completely ignorant of what Al Gore says since know where does he say individuals can't or shouldn't have a big carbon footprint. In fact, Al could have a fleet of private airplanes and he wouldn't be contradicting a thing he's said or being a hypocrite.
false.
02-24-2014 , 10:32 PM
Al Gore this weekend, "The Dust Bowl is Coming Back Quickly, Unless We Act"

Let me get this straight the dust bowl happened in the thirties and it was not due to man caused climate change. Now man can prevent a dust bowl by acting quickly to do whatever Al says to do. Did Al fly into Kansas City on his private jet?
02-24-2014 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
But most conservatives aren't trying to use a gun to get me to feed the hungry. They use a gun to get me to fund the military or whatever.

Trying to force someone else to fix a problem you won't try to fix voluntarily makes you a piece of ****, and a violent animal.
I agree. Libtards claiming Al Gore hasn't made a fortune off his climate alarmism schtick is actually kind of interesting though.
02-24-2014 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Al Gore this weekend, "The Dust Bowl is Coming Back Quickly, Unless We Act"

Let me get this straight the dust bowl happened in the thirties and it was not due to man caused climate change. Now man can prevent a dust bowl by acting quickly to do whatever Al says to do. Did Al fly into Kansas City on his private jet?
For all the lurkers in this forum.......

Just to show how wing nut people like gambol and roonil are amongst several others, and to a lesser extent Kurto...

Just read all the facebook comments at the bottom of that article...

They are a majority in this little niche poker site, but not IRL.
02-24-2014 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
For all the lurkers in this forum.......

Just to show how wing nut people like gambol and roonil are amongst several others, and to a lesser extent Kurto...

Just read all the facebook comments at the bottom of that article...

They are a majority in this little niche poker site, but not IRL.
02-25-2014 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Al Gore this weekend, "The Dust Bowl is Coming Back Quickly, Unless We Act"

Let me get this straight the dust bowl happened in the thirties and it was not due to man caused climate change. Now man can prevent a dust bowl by acting quickly to do whatever Al says to do. Did Al fly into Kansas City on his private jet?
wtf are you talking about? The Dust Bowl was directly caused by inappropriate farming techniques on arid grasslands. There is absolutely zero disagreement or controversy on this subject.
02-25-2014 , 10:17 AM
They're really digging deep into the derp bin by bringing up Al Gore. Isn't there a more modern figure you guys can make tu quoque fallacies about? Hey, I'll bet Bill Nye owns a house and drives a car. lol hypocrite!
02-25-2014 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chimpstare
No chimpstare for Al Gore tripe though
02-25-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
false.
Please, I've been doing my best to not engage you as you post your usual nonsense and bring every thread to a crawl about you.

Please do me the favor and do the same. I'm not interested in your usual contradictory, semantic tomfoolery and horrible ikesian coversations. I can read all the other people mocking your posts without engaging in one too.

Thank you in advance.
02-25-2014 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
For all the lurkers in this forum.......

Just to show how wing nut people like gambol and roonil are amongst several others, and to a lesser extent Kurto...

Just read all the facebook comments at the bottom of that article...

They are a majority in this little niche poker site, but not IRL.
I do love Silverman's logic. He can measure the beliefs of the real world by facebook comments below one story of one newspaper. What a methodology!

Each day he proves that he can be dumber then you thought he was.
02-25-2014 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
Please, I've been doing my best to not engage you as you post your usual nonsense and bring every thread to a crawl about you.

Please do me the favor and do the same. I'm not interested in your usual contradictory, semantic tomfoolery and horrible ikesian coversations. I can read all the other people mocking your posts without engaging in one too.

Thank you in advance.
Don't say stupid stuff, you won't be engaged. Al Gore has a pretty obvious public stance on conservation and lowering CO2 use. Him using massive amounts unnecessarily would obviously be hypocritical.
02-25-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Don't say stupid stuff, you won't be engaged. Al Gore has a pretty obvious public stance on conservation and lowering CO2 use. Him using massive amounts unnecessarily would obviously be hypocritical.
Gore could buy an SUV, fuel it with baby seal oil, drive through a spotted owl habitat, and basically be the biggest hypocrite ever and that wouldn't change the veracity of climate science in the slightest. It's a classic tu quoque fallacy and you know it.
02-25-2014 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Gore could buy an SUV, fuel it with baby seal oil, drive through a spotted owl habitat, and basically be the biggest hypocrite ever and that wouldn't change the veracity of climate science in the slightest. It's a classic tu quoque fallacy and you know it.
Was anyone saying that it did? I thought people were just bashing Al Gore.
02-25-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Don't say stupid stuff, you won't be engaged.
That explains your history of saying stupid stuff. You like to be engaged.

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Al Gore has a pretty obvious public stance on conservation and lowering CO2 use. Him using massive amounts unnecessarily would obviously be hypocritical.
No. you are omitting the whole part of Gore's thesis that one can contribute to CO2 use if one does something to counter it. A simple example would be that a company can have a large carbon footprint but counter it by planting trees, using renewable energy sources, investing in cleaner technologies, etc.

Furthermore, the people criticizing Gore:
(1) do nothing to diminish his arguments as whether or not he's a hypocrite has no bearing on the validity of the message and
(2) ignore where's he's addressed what he does about his carbon footprint (consistent with his rhetoric)
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Gore: I use only carbon-free electricity. Have 33 solar panels on my roof, seven deep geothermal wells under my driveway, LED lights and highest-grade energy-saving windows, max insulation, hybrid plug-in car, etc. No fountains, btw. What you can do? Make smart choices for low-carbon options in the marketplace, make sure you divest from carbon-intensive stocks; be a smart and active citiizen! Let politicians know the climate crisis MATTERS to you -- A LOT -- that you will WORK and contribute to candidates who really champion solutions -- and that you will seriously work hard to DEFEAT candidates who ignore climate or take the wrong positions on climate. Help put a price on carbon in the market and put a price on denial in the political system.
Although you could surprise me I would actually have given you the benefit of the doubt that you knew that Gore's ideas including the idea of carbon emission trading. If in fact you knew this and your reply above (the quality Ikesian response of "no") then you were knowing being wrong. And if you didn't know it then I apologize for assuming you actually knew about what his ideas were since you were saying I was wrong.

Now you may return to ikesing up all the other threads.
02-25-2014 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Gore could buy an SUV, fuel it with baby seal oil, drive through a spotted owl habitat, and basically be the biggest hypocrite ever and that wouldn't change the veracity of climate science in the slightest. It's a classic tu quoque fallacy and you know it.
Well duh dude. Problem is that Kurto said those actions wouldn't make him a hypocrite. They definitely would.

Now, kurto's tits are so lit he's defending gore from the hypocrite accusations, like that would make his post better.
02-25-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
For all the lurkers in this forum.......

Just to show how wing nut people like gambol and roonil are amongst several others, and to a lesser extent Kurto...

Just read all the facebook comments at the bottom of that article...

They are a majority in this little niche poker site, but not IRL.
Not sure you have much of an idea what my view on climate change and remedies are, but good luck with using Kansas City newspaper comment sections to support your argument. Ive read Chiefsplanet, you aren't helping your argument.
02-25-2014 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Michael Mann Facing Bankruptcy

This site could be an oil company front. With that stated:
Hopefully an oil company wouldn't waste its money on stuff this bad. Mark Steyn is countersuing Mann. I'm not exactly sure what Steyn's reasoning is. Mann's suit against Steyn and the National Review is continuing. The judge ruled that the suit could go and is not a SLAPP--though this is being appealed (not by Steyn, though who is currently representing himself.)


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The fact Mann refused to disclose his ‘hockey stick’ graph metadata in the British Columbia Supreme Court, as he is required to do under Canadian civil rules of procedure, constituted a fatal omission to comply, rendering his lawsuit unwinnable. As such, Dr Ball, by default, has substantiated his now famous assertion that Mann belongs "in the state pen, not Penn. State." In short, Mann failed to show he did not fake his tree ring proxy data for the past 1,000 years, so Ball’s assessment stands as fair comment. Moreover, many hundreds of papers in the field of paleoclimate temperature reconstructions that cite Mann’s work are likewise tainted, heaping more misery on the discredited UN’s Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) which has a knack of relying on such sub prime science.
This is amazing nonsense. First, according to other "skeptic" sites, Ball's suit is not over. Second, the data and code for Mann's 1998 paper has been available for years. Pure drivel.
02-25-2014 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Well duh dude. Problem is that Kurto said those actions wouldn't make him a hypocrite. They definitely would.

Now, kurto's tits are so lit he's defending gore from the hypocrite accusations, like that would make his post better.
you really are one of the worst regulars. I mean, you can't meet the bigotry of silverman or the apparent insanity of some others. But you really are just intellectually bankrupt. There's a reason that probably 95% of every thread you jump into turns into a discussion about you and how full of crap you are.

So which is it- that's you're legitimately ignorant of Gore's ideas or that you're being ikesing it up by ignoring the parts that make you wrong?
02-25-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
you actually seem completely ignorant of what Al Gore says since know where does he say individuals can't or shouldn't have a big carbon footprint. In fact, Al could have a fleet of private airplanes and he wouldn't be contradicting a thing he's said or being a hypocrite.

But you are demonstrating that, to use a phrase similar to your own language, you are an ignorant Conserva-tard!
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
false.
This is even better. This is from about.com. (added link)

Remember, the question was is Al Gore being consistent with what he says? Ikes says false. Implying that he is aware of what Al Gore says, right?

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In the book version of An Inconvenient Truth where Gore discusses what families and ordinary citizens can do to help combat global warming, he stops well short of calling for deep sacrifice or major lifestyle change. He doesn't tell people to move into smaller homes, for example. His actual proposals are rather modest.

First, he lists a number of steps individual families can take to make their homes and activities more environmentally friendly — like using energy-efficient appliances, adjusting the thermostat by a couple of degrees, installing solar panels, and using less hot water when possible — all of which are economically as well as ecologically beneficial, and none of which we have any reason to believe Gore isn't taking himself.

Second, he preaches activism — voting for environmentally enlightened measures and candidates and spreading he gospel of global warming. And in these we know Al Gore has played an exemplary role.

Third, he advocates that everyone work toward a "carbon neutral" lifestyle. How? In addition to the two measures above, by doing precisely what he does — offsetting one's environmental impact through investments in projects and enterprises aimed at reducing energy consumption overall (i.e., carbon offsets).

So, where's the disjunct between what Gore says and what he does? Unless you put words in his mouth, there actually isn't much of one to be found.
I of course already said this (though not as well as written above) before. So the entirety of Ike's "False" as well as Silverman's comments are clearly wrong.

Last edited by kurto; 02-25-2014 at 02:57 PM. Reason: added link

      
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