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STUDENTS AWARDED vouchers to attend private schools in the District had significantly better chances of graduating from high school, and parents who sent their children to schools using scholarships were happy with having a choice of good, safe schools. These latest findings on D.C. school vouchers underscore the value of this program and show how wrong-headed it is to deny future students this opportunity.

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More than 3,700 students -- most of them black or Hispanic -- have been awarded scholarships, which provide up to $7,500 for private-school tuition, since the program's start in 2004. Students currently enrolled, an estimated 1,300, will be allowed to continue until they graduate from high school. But for reasons that have more to do with opposition from teachers unions than what's good for children, no new students are being accepted. Education Secretary Arne Duncan last year signaled the program's demise by rescinding scholarships already offered, and congressional Democrats refused to reauthorize the program. These findings should prompt them to reconsider. Said former D.C. Council member Kevin P. Chavous, chairman of the Black Alliance for Educational Options, "The results of the study demonstrate what we've known for years: [The program] is making a difference for students who need our help the most. "

A republican initiated program where inner city children were benefitting as the Repubs wanted to expand IE increase funding for it but Obama and the Dems in Congress killed it because the teachers unions didn't like it.

08-11-2014 , 09:59 PM

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Pilkain

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Fly confirmed giant piece of ****. He sucks the sweat from a dead mans balls.

08-11-2014 , 10:17 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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I'm not sure if dead men sweat tho.

08-12-2014 , 07:34 PM

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dth123451

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How does breaking windows and stealing **** in any way relate to civil rights abuses? Never got that.

08-14-2014 , 07:20 PM

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notyoursmine

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The term "African American" drives me up a damn wall. I don't refer to myself as "Irish American". That's ridiculous.
Why do we have to be referred to as a color?
Here's a little insight...when you go to jail, many county jails label you black or white. That's it nothing else. (Worked in one for years)

Cliffs:raise 75-125 pre, as played fold.

08-15-2014 , 12:26 PM

#132

Low Key

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Man, spank is off his nut

08-15-2014 , 12:27 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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New thread for the off topic derail

08-15-2014 , 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

One example.

DC's Successful Voucher Program Deserves a Second Chance
A republican initiated program where inner city children were benefitting as the Repubs wanted to expand IE increase funding for it but Obama and the Dems in Congress killed it because the teachers unions didn't like it.

Aren't voucher programs normally just in place to funnel tax dollars into religious schools?

08-15-2014 , 01:59 PM

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Low Key

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Religious schools and schools in better neighborhoods basically

08-15-2014 , 02:11 PM

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master3004

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Then I think it's perfectly ok to object to them lest they are specifically earmarked not for religious schools

08-15-2014 , 02:36 PM

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kioshk

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If the public schools weren't ****ing up on such a grand scale, there wouldn't be an outcry for alternative solutions.

Notice how lefto Dems always put their kids in private schools.

08-15-2014 , 02:50 PM

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master3004

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Not me baby, public school 4 lyfe

08-15-2014 , 02:56 PM

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kurto

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Originally Posted by kioshk

If the public schools weren't ****ing up on such a grand scale, there wouldn't be an outcry for alternative solutions.

Notice how lefto Dems always put their kids in private schools.

Can't tell if serious. i'm a Dem raised in public schools who has two kids in public school. I have a lot of friends my age with kids, similar political temperment, all save one use public schools.

So... can't notice what is patently false.

08-15-2014 , 03:08 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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I love my kid's public school, despite having janitorial and office supplies on the school supply list. Cheap ass irresponsible private school type-people feeling entitled to pay as little taxes possible for public schools are the problem for everyone.

08-15-2014 , 03:16 PM

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kioshk

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Originally Posted by kurto

I meant the lefto Dem politicians, not ordinary folks. To me, that highlights the hypocrisy of them opposing school reform.

My lefto parents were career educators and very active in NEA for decades and decades, and even they are now not so wild about public schools.

08-15-2014 , 03:24 PM

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master3004

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Here's the thing, I doubt anyone today would say they are wild about the state of public schools right now. There Is a ton of reform that could be done to make things better.

Overall though, public schools are an important part of the greater good, and it feels like private schools tend to draw away a lot of resources that could go to helping public schools get better. Instead of giving 7000 dollars for a child to get enrolled in a private Christian school through vouchers, why isn't that money going to local public schools to help make them better?

08-15-2014 , 03:31 PM

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kioshk

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See, public schools have been saying more money more money forever, and more money never ****ing fixes the problems.

08-15-2014 , 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kioshk

See, public schools have been saying more money more money forever, and more money never ****ing fixes the problems.

Actually money fixes the problem of adequate supplies, abundant variety of learning opportunity, decent food, and good pay for dedicated people who do the work and deserve it.

The few bad apples is the problem money doesn't fix. And when the bad apples are also loud apples, politics is born.

08-15-2014 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kioshk

See, public schools have been saying more money more money forever, and more money never ****ing fixes the problems.

I'm pretty sure I just heard something that directly contradicts you. That is, there is a strong correlation between school performance and money.

That being said, there are many schools that are not run efficiently and need to be fixed. That is, a crappily run school won't necessarily be fixed by throwing money at it. But giving schools more money to be spent wisely should yield significant improvements.

08-15-2014 , 05:29 PM

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kioshk

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It's never spent wisely, that's the ****ing problem! Administrators and entrenched bad teachers soak it up. It's standard operating procedure for low-level gov't apparatchiks.

08-15-2014 , 09:59 PM

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Low Key

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the **** is an apparatchik?

08-15-2014 , 10:14 PM

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08-15-2014 , 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

Then I think it's perfectly ok to object to them lest they are specifically earmarked not for religious schools

You need to educate yourself about the DC voucher program as an alternative to inner city public schools. Google is your friend.

LOL to the white middle class posters here who are comparing the public schools they attended and their kids attend to inner city public schools. Study after study has shown that inner city students in k-12 vastly underperform. I'm willing to support trillions to fix it. More later, got to run .