I do know that. Like Arafat was obviously a war criminal as well. But was Mandela responsible for the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians like Arafat and Sharon? I haven't seen any evidence of that.

So why the **** would you talk about Israel like that? You overreached just like Gamblor did on Mandela.

There is no need to swear or use caps. No offense, I've done it before as well. Take a look at some of the things that are said about countries I respect, people are entitled to their opinion, and the modern state of Israel is a topic of great controversy.

I didn't, I think that a guerrilla war against Israel is roughly as justifiable as a guerrilla war against South Africa was.

Well, that's a ****ing awful position. Although, a guerrilla war seems just as acceptable from a war crimes point of view against just about any country. Morally acceptable is a different question all together.

I'm not saying they were the same. Only in the sense that civilians were deliberately killed by their respective organizations (Unit 101, ANC) with both of them in charge of said organizations, for the benefit of the people they represented. That seemed, to be the only relevant issue with respect to war crimes (rather, SenorKeeed seemed to insist as such).

Although, a strong argument could be made that they were both fighting the historical subjugation of their ethnic brethren at the hands of foreign colonizers.

Welcome to Israel-Arab conflict discussion with your standard group of meme-spouting internet activists.

Of course of all Arabs in the world, these Arabs have a multitude of political views much like the Jews or Muslims who live in Israel, or Jews and Muslims who live in Casablanca. Their are over 3000 Jews alone in Casablanca(Morocco) which includes integrated Jewish/Muslim schools(pre-College)

You know the bolded is misleading but decided to write it anyway. GAMBLOR!

Like Sharon. Cool, we're in agreement then.

sick angle

Lol. Solid post.

Not sure what you're saying here. You're right, obv, but not really sure of your point. I've posted several times the results of independent polls of Palestinian Arabs in the territories and of the Arab world in general. Attitudes are remarkably consistent, though with any individual YMMV obv.

When I speak of Jews and Muslims living together in Morocco, I'm speaking of the very rich history between Muslims and Jews, well many of them(the children of past generations) now Israeli Jews. My point is Jews and Muslims used to live in great harmony prior( and in many cases around the world including Israel still do) to the modern creation of the state of Israel. For example, during WW2 a Tunisian Muslim man protected a Tunisian Jew midst great danger, many Muslims protected Jews during WW2. The Grand Mufti, Haj amin al-husseini amounted to basically a low level achiever of the war, more of a propaganda tool as his support was loose and non central.

The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar which consisted of Muslims (although it consisted of many non Muslims as well) broke up only 5 months into inception, in fact, a mutiny occurred within this group. Only 1% of Jews died in occupied Muslim majority territories as opposed to 50% in Europe, AFAIK The only SS division to ever have a mutiny,

Many of those polls you speak of are slanted, especially ones from Ynet, not saying you have linked these kinds of polls each time (or at all) you provide a source. It would be like me bringing up a Poll from Islamophobes like Robert Spencer, Or from the anti semites like David Duke.

How do you define apartheid Ikes? (I ask that knowing full well there is a non-zero chance that Ikes thinks South Africa never really experienced apartheid).

Are we really comparing Mandela to Sharon? Really?

Brothers from another mother imo.

Just like Arafat and Gandhi, AMIRITE?

Defining apartheid down exactly sounds like fun, but I'll skip to the end. Israel does not control the west bank and gaza. Israel does guarantee the same basic rights to Israeli Arabs that it does to Israeli Jews. Finally, the segregation maintained between the Israel and it's neighbors is due to Israeli's neighbors insistence on dropping by and attempting to kill every Jew they find.

More like contrasting.

Why was this Tunisian Jew in great danger?

Al husseini was a pawn, true, but he had massive influence in his own constituents, if not anyone else. And while Jews had it comparatively better in the Muslim world, and way-back-when were reasonably respected, they were still nothing anywhere close to equal or free.

I didn't say that "Muslims" committed the Holocaust. I meant that they were influenced by Nazism and Soviet Communism in their modern pathological Jew-hatred. Though it really wasn't a long leap.

The polls I've linked to most often are conducted by the Pew Research Centre. Search the forums.

I agree that defining apartheid in a way that doesn't condemn Israel is very challenging.

nice goalpost shift from "well that was in a different time" (even though it really wasn't, morally speaking) to "well he wasn't convicted in a competent court" (where I can just sort of handwave away anything inconvenient as incompetent).

that's a step up from the previous "25% of the war crimes he's accused of in this cartoon weren't actually war crimes" line you took earlier, bravo.

lol that's a complete nonresponse and fairly standard for your bull****.

you can fight in wars where the existence of your country is on the line and still refrain from slaughtering civilians.

Given the history of the 20th century, do you really think that's true? What major war in the 20th century avoided the slaughtering of civilians?

Ok , the Pew polls are decent, I did see you said most of the time. I post in the rgt threads alot and I make sure I never post the likes of say Dr Zakir Narik in support of my argument.

Anyway, as to not derail this thread, All I can say when it comes to the topic of Muslims saving Jews during WW2 is see my other threads. For the topic of Muslims fighting against Axis Powers and the Holocaust see

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-jews-1403000/

on a separate history forum, to get the best possible unbiased responses, see this respected history forum in which I made a similar OP

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=143674

During WW2, in Paris, France. A dedicated Muslim Imam, Si Kaddour Benghabrit protected upwards of 1700 Jews during occupation. In fact its quite likely that North African immigrant Jews and Muslims of the French resistance fought together in Paris. The history is there, the facts are there, Muslims by far did much more to work with Jews then against them During WW2.

Gamblor its all there, testimony from Jews and Muslims of the time who worked together in the fight against Hitler, including testimony from the Tunisian Jew that I speak of in my previous post. Many, many more Muslims fought with the Allies as opposed to Axis forces.