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Your question about how instituting fairness policies can be a good thing. That's the derpy part. Obviously markets sorting themselves out and achieving equal pay is the favorable solution. But how long can you wait for that to happen?

If you are going by that graph

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Just so you know, most of the people aren't making fun of you ITT because of your beliefs (although those are funny), it's because you're just dumb. Like, generally, just not intelligent or informed.

a) I actually think that unequal pay is way overrated and a sign of market forces. Sorry for being a typical libertarian.
b) I don't think quotas are justified, just because people are impatient. Damn, sorry again. Am I still derping?

Pretty much are derping.

Something I would qualitatively define as a good market force is it would distinguish employee genders or colors, but rather an employee's output in the workplace. If women and minorities' output is not fairly rewarded, what kind of system are you really defending?

I just said, it was market forces. They aren't perfect, I am not saying that. Less derp?

So still waiting on an alternative to GDP as a relevant economic measure. Still waiting on Swiss to walk it back and acknowledge the very real impact of systemic oppression on vulnerable populations (as opposed to "something something sexism/racism), still waiting on Swiss to explain how "incentives" explain why racial and sexual minorities are grossly underrepresented in upper management positions (old boy network? Gold digging?), still waiting on some lolbertarians to "final answer" that Botswana is lolbertarian paradise so I can avoid No True Scotsmen when I illuminate them about the s***show that is Botswana aka lolbertarian utopia.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." -- H.L. Mencken

You said they are overrated market forces. It's a pretty fantastic level of derp of libertarians to not realize that when women and minorities get paid less than their white male peers they also consume less or have less savings. It's a dysfunctional market behavior.

Sweetie, just answer me in the appropriate thread. I am capable on walking back on my positions, I hope.

What? I said, they ain't perfect not overrated. But you are actually right, I think. Your earning power correlates with your savings and more savings= more negotiation power. But

a) I refuse to group women and minorities, though. Because
b) I am not sure about the claim, that women earn less for the same work but for their lack of incentive to negotiate better. Not true for minorities in the same way.

http://www.heritage.org/index/

There's no need for a statistical measurement of the economy at all. The only reason to collect statistics on the economy is so you can plan it but central economic planning does not work.

You're "No true LTer" killer example is Pinochet's Chile.

Women are minorities in many cases. Obviously not all women are white. Secondly, amongst CEOs or upper positions of corporations women are only now coming into power and still aren't on equal terms as males as far as %s go.

The other thing is "women not be able to negotiate better" leads me to believe that you are overlooking a crucial component.

A) Women are perfectly capable of negotiating better contracts. As I do not believe any physiological differences in genders diminish a woman's capacity to negotiate. If there's scholarly literature that refutes this, I surely haven't read it.
B) However, women and minorities both (in the US, not speaking of the entire world) only in modern eras have been able to set foot in workplaces they were not once able to.

Firms have had the upper hand when it comes to negotiations with people who are going to take what they can get if it means they get their foot in the door.

Osnap. "Empirical data is the problem!"

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In swissmiss's case, it is interesting to see libertarians make a defense of the status quo in such a round about manner.

So women do the same work for 70 cents on the dollar... Shouldn't male unemployment be at 50%? Why would anyone ever hire a man when you can get a chick to do it for significantly less?

Remember, 'Austrian' Econ rejects empiricism, and instead embraces PraxLOLogy. LTism is better... because LTism is better /QED. Amazing, here's a perfect application of PraxLOLogical thinking...

ZOMG.

I just want to know how you know that Botswana and Hong Kong were so prosperous. You don't live there. You don't have empirical data. Did you talk to a friend? Read about it in a magazine? Like, show your work.

It's almost like the world isn't full of perfectly rational, informed people optimizing only money.

Wow.

This is going straight to the Hall of Shame

But I thought corporations were soulless entities which cared only for maximizing profit?

Wow.

This is going straight to the Hall of Shame.