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wpn needs to change heads up rules wpn needs to change heads up rules

02-22-2014 , 12:17 AM
feastdabeast is stealing all of our action heads up because he is breaking the heads up rule. Its 1 table per heads up limit for an empty table he sits 3 to 4 empty tables every day. He has been reported by me 6 times other players have also reported him. Its now been over 3 weeks and support says same thing we will take care of it for the last 3 weeks and nothing. He can't steal 3 weeks of action then get some sort of penality. It should be taken care of within one day. We are losing tons of money because he is stealing so many games opening more tables. Either lift the rule on heads up tables or get this done faster. Should not take 3 weeks to penalize a player. Also put the rule up clearly for players to read. They don't even know they are doing anything wrong. He is on halite halite 2 and also 3 right now.
02-22-2014 , 06:11 PM
So your complaint is that he open his own tables and steals your action...
To me their nothing wrong with sitting at more tables.

To me it a stupid rule to only sit at one empty table per time

But still has not stop me from sitting 4 HU tables at the se time empty
02-23-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Laughing Man
So your complaint is that he open his own tables and steals your action...
To me their nothing wrong with sitting at more tables.

To me it a stupid rule to only sit at one empty table per time
I'm happy you have an opinion! Doesn't mean you're right, though.

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But still has not stop me from sitting 4 HU tables at the se time empty
So basically you blatantly disregard the T&S's of WPN and steal equity from other players? Makes me even more likely to give your opinion strong consideration and not think you're a ignorant scumbag...

WPN, if its a rule you have to enforce it in a reasonable amount of time. Otherwise get rid of said rule because all it does is hurt those who actually abide by it.
02-24-2014 , 02:42 PM
I thought it was 2 tables per stake? If not, I'm breaking the rules too and didn't know it. I always see feeddabeast at 3-5 tables across multiple stakes.

I agree the rules need to be more clear. They also need to limit how many total tables a player can sit. It has to be pretty intimidating for recs to see the same player sitting from 50NL-5KNL.
02-24-2014 , 03:00 PM
How is this player stealing anything? He buys-in and should be allowed to sit for however many tables he is willing to buy-in for.

As an example, I know that for 9-max sit and go's, if I register for three empty rooms at a time, I pay the buy-in and I sit. But then, another empty room pops up in the room. Is this not the case for heads up tables?

Please someone explain to me how this guy sitting at multiple HU tables is stealing anything. thanks
02-24-2014 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ComputerProof
Please someone explain to me how this guy sitting at multiple HU tables is stealing anything. thanks
If the WPN rules say you can only sit at X tables per stake but this player is sitting at X^2 tables per stake, he is more likely to have a recreational person click on one of his tables to play him.

When the lobby is filled with 20 people all sitting/waiting to play a recreational player, the rec probably isn't going to go through and give it any real thought as to who they sit. They'll usually just click a table and whoever is lucky enough to actually be that person gets the fish.

So if OP is following the rules and only sitting at X tables, and this other player is breaking the rules by sitting at X^2 tables, they're going to have a greater chance of being sat than OP is.

The bigger problem is the nature of heads up cash, but that's a whole other can of worms. The issue here is that if WPN is going to have a rule on the books about how many HU tables a person is allowed to sit per limit then they need to enforce it in a reasonable amount of time, otherwise there is zero incentive to follow the rules and the lobby goes from **** to a complete pile of flaming aids filled super ****. Not to mention if they set a precedent that they don't enforce their rules its more likely to encourage players to cheat in other areas.
02-24-2014 , 09:22 PM
So is it 1 table or 2 tables per stake?
02-24-2014 , 11:12 PM
Oh I see. I never saw myself as competing to play rec players....LOL....but I see that a rec player is more likely to be a fish.....

I guess the guy who is doing this is a pretty tough player....otherwise, you would just play him at one of the many tables he is sitting at rather than sit at your own empty table....

But thank you for the detailed explanation Menace....I do appreciate it.

Are there any such restrictions imposed on 9-max SnG's? Because I have been regularly registering for up to five at a time.
02-24-2014 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ComputerProof
Oh I see. I never saw myself as competing to play rec players....LOL....but I see that a rec player is more likely to be a fish.....

I guess the guy who is doing this is a pretty tough player....otherwise, you would just play him at one of the many tables he is sitting at rather than sit at your own empty table....

But thank you for the detailed explanation Menace....I do appreciate it.

Are there any such restrictions imposed on 9-max SnG's? Because I have been regularly registering for up to five at a time.
The guy is a bum hunter and won't play anyone who isn't terrible. HU cash and 9 max SNGs aren't anywhere near the same thing. Obviously you can join as many SNGs as you want because the more that run the better.

1 guy clogging up the lobby across many stakes in a HU cash lobby is not because he won't play anyone but fish.
02-25-2014 , 12:05 AM
i first started playing on ACR like 3 months ago and got banned outta nowhere for this rule. i had 2 tables open at same stakes max, never 3. only when i talked to online CS did i find out about it
02-25-2014 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by billburr
i first started playing on ACR like 3 months ago and got banned outta nowhere for this rule. i had 2 tables open at same stakes max, never 3. only when i talked to online CS did i find out about it
Did they say it was 2 max or 1? I hate talking to WPN live chat as I feel the are a bunch of ******ed 12 year olds from South America.
02-25-2014 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ComputerProof
Oh I see. I never saw myself as competing to play rec players....LOL....but I see that a rec player is more likely to be a fish.....

I guess the guy who is doing this is a pretty tough player....otherwise, you would just play him at one of the many tables he is sitting at rather than sit at your own empty table....
As I hinted to earlier this problem really isn't anything to do with WPN or these two players specifically, its just an inherent flaw in the heads up cash game model. Both players know that if they sit down together only one of them will be the long term winner. Since they're both in this to make money the one that suspects they're the loser simply doesn't play and just opens up a new table. This goes on and on and on from very strong players to very weak players all sitting there waiting to play vs somebody who either doesn't know they're a loser, or doesn't care.

If you were to scroll the cash game lobby on WPN right now you would literally see >50 tables of heads up cash with just one person sitting there waiting and then like 5 tables where there is actually action because somebody was sat by a fish. Its disgusting, tbh!

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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
So is it 1 table or 2 tables per stake?
From the terms of service

3.4 Players may only sit at one empty heads-up table, per stake level, and/ Table Type (Short, Cap, regular) while waiting for a game to begin. For example, a player can sit one $2/$4 heads-up Regular table, one $2/$4 heads-up Cap table, and one $2/$4 heads-up Short table, simultaneously. For each stake any player found in violation to this rule will be subject to a 24-hour account ban. Repeat offenders will receive more severe punishments.
02-25-2014 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
Did they say it was 2 max or 1? I hate talking to WPN live chat as I feel the are a bunch of ******ed 12 year olds from South America.
I have to intervene here. Although the English may not be perfect you have to understand these guys sometimes have up to 15 clients on chat.

As you guys know, i am always happy to try and help where i can so if you need something let me know and i will do my best to rectify the problem.
02-25-2014 , 12:20 PM
Reported the bumhunting lobby a couple times before already as well ...
02-25-2014 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
I have to intervene here. Although the English may not be perfect you have to understand these guys sometimes have up to 15 clients on chat.

As you guys know, i am always happy to try and help where i can so if you need something let me know and i will do my best to rectify the problem.
Thanks for chiming in. Maybe they shouldn't have 15 clients on live chat at once? They are the worst live chat reps I have ever dealt with and they almost never have any clue what they are talking about and make **** up if they don't know the answer.

Perhaps I was a little harsh with my wording, but it doesn't change the fact that they are terrible.
02-27-2014 , 12:15 AM
Curious as to why there isn't a limit to # of tables one can sit across all stakes? The lobby looks horrible with people sitting from 1/2-25/50. Why not limit it to say 4 total tables per game type total along with 1 table per stake?
02-27-2014 , 02:01 PM
They are only allowed so to speak 1 table per stake but players are also allowed to sit at different types. E.g. JohnSmith sits at 25/50 6 max he is also allowed to sit at a cap a short etc.
02-27-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
They are only allowed so to speak 1 table per stake but players are also allowed to sit at different types. E.g. JohnSmith sits at 25/50 6 max he is also allowed to sit at a cap a short etc.
I get that. My example is John Smith sits at 200HUNL, 200HUNL short, 400HUNL, 400HUNL short, 600 HUNL, 600HUNL short, 1000HUNL, 1000HUNL short, etc.

There are people sitting basically every HU stake available across all the different varieties within the buy in. It looks really bad when you see the same guy at a table of every stake up to the highest available.

It's great that they can only sit 1 table per stake, but do they really need to sit 20 tables across every stake? I personally think it looks really bad for recs to see this and the lobby is filled with people just sitting and bum hunting.

Why not cap the total # of HUNL tables someone can sit at 4-6 so you don't have a 25/50 reg bum hunting the entire HU lobby?
02-28-2014 , 04:43 PM
iirc full tilt poker solved this issue by changing the lobby software to only display 1 empty table per player

so even if 6 regs sat 20 empty tables each, only 6 empty tables would appear in the lobby
03-01-2014 , 11:22 AM
You all will be glad to know i just got banned for 24 hours for sitting on 2 tables of one stake. This is what support said. Very happy to see they are doing something about this.

Sander Q:
You have been reported due to a violation committed against of our terms and conditions, please be aware that you were committing of the following violation: 3.4 Players may only sit at one empty heads-up table, per stake level, and/ Table Type (Short, Cap, regular) while waiting for a game to begin. For example, a player can sit one $2/$4 heads-up Regular table, one $2/$4 heads-up Cap table, and one $2/$4 heads-up Short table, simultaneously. For each stake any player found in violation to this rule will be subject to a 24-hour account ban. Repeat offenders will receive more severe punishments. This is the second time we contact you regarding this matter, your account will remain suspended until you acknowledge this policy.
04-15-2014 , 06:52 AM
Seems everything is back to the way it was few different people sitting on 4 tables at same limit. Wouldn't be a big deal if they would actually play
04-15-2014 , 08:50 AM
I'd say get the **** rid of heads up tables. The site is small as hell and the HU tables kills the normal ring games. FWIW I play HU all the time but the HU tables still need to die....
04-15-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
I'd say get the **** rid of heads up tables. The site is small as hell and the HU tables kills the normal ring games. FWIW I play HU all the time but the HU tables still need to die....
Well, if you play HU all the time why would you care if it hurt regular ring games?

Curious as to how HU is hurting the games on WPN as well. Barely any HU runs compared to regular ring traffic.

Also, not everyone wants to play regular ring games, so what makes you think removing HU tables would get them to start? More likely is they would just leave the site entirely, which hurts games even more.
04-16-2014 , 01:34 AM
I basically just sit at 6max games and just play heads up starting new tables. Just the HU being there takes way from ring games that on this site is already pretty thin.


I dont play regular ring games either, I like Hu and short handed. Still the small player pool would be healthier with no Hu is all Im saying which is important on a tiny network. Now at a a place like Stars... ya its no big deal.
04-16-2014 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh

Curious as to how HU is hurting the games on WPN as well. Barely any HU runs compared to regular ring traffic.

Also, not everyone wants to play regular ring games, so what makes you think removing HU tables would get them to start?
I can't speak for WPN (since they have higher stake games) on this but I've been told that smaller sites often don't have HU tables (or they make the largest game offered HU 100nl or less) because players can loss money too quick which can hurt the player pool and I imagine it would effect the bottom line on rake. This is the same reason you often don't see sites offering high stakes.

      
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