Because all of things have happened in a very short amount of time, but they are starting to do the things that attracts attention and grows a site. SNG players have been saying for a while now that they've been able to increase their volume on WPN thanks to SNC.

The Million Dollar guarantee drew huge attention, and had a great chance to blow the guarantee away if not for the ddos'ing and the the CEO's admitted hubris to let it run longer than it should have. Failing hard twice in the same event with so many people paying attention really hurt WPN. Not only did the event fail (whether that is their fault is debatable), but they handled is poorly during and after the event. So now they have to work hard to play catch-up in hopes of building up trust by their next 1m event. Had that event actually succeeded, and gotten to the $1.25m mark or more that was estimated, I think you would have seen a solid boost in traffic and they'd really be in a position to go hard toward the next event.

I hope the TD doesn't decide to not add 10 minute structures out of spite of this idiot lol.

I'd personally like to see the $162 go to 10 minutes so there would be both a 15 minute $100+ and 10 min $100+ around the same time.

It wasn't their fault...it was the DDOS'rs fault.

Failing hard was the intention of the DDOS'r who caused the problems. This fact makes me suspicious of this DDOS'r and what his intentions/motives were. The impact this had on WPN suggest that this wasn't some random attack...it was highly coordinated and planned. And, I don't believe it was done as a random prank on the attacker's part. It was done with specific intention.

The question is...who's intention? Was it the attacker's intention, or someone employing the attacker with the intention of personal gain.....land based Casinos who want to see internet poker fail.


I agree, it would've blown up and prize pools on daily tournaments would've increased accordingly.

It's a shame...it really is.

Traffic is up..

530 players is UP?

I don't even want to know what down is...I thought 530 was down...holy ****.

Prize pools across all MTTs have been consistently beating guarantees all days of the week, SNG traffic is up from what I hear(don't play these), and cash traffic seems to be up. Not sure where you're even getting your numbers from, but I'm pretty sure none of the available numbers online are right to be honest.

Pokerscout...which I believe is MTT numbers only.

Poker Scout has nothing to do with MTTs and isn't even right for cash on WPN currently. It's hovered between 250-300 players for over 6 months, yet I can notice the difference in my games over the last few months a ton. My games also are 1 of the last to really feel traffic hits.

The Sunday before the Million WPN had 7,000 total players online per what the CEO told me on Skype. For reference, Merge in its hay day around the end of 2011-mid 2012 hovered around 11K total players online. They don't show their numbers now, but it's no where near that anymore.

7,000 players...yet they can't meet guarantees? I don't know about that. You can see how many players are in the tournaments. They never had 7,000 players.

They haven't had trouble beating guarantees in months. The only tournaments not beating them now are tournaments they just added and no one knows about yet. They for a fact had over*** 7,000 players that day and I'd guess they average close to 5,000 every Sunday.

The nightly 30 $10K had over 500 entries tonight and beat its guarantee by over $4,000.

You won't find any information about how many tournament players are on WPN or how many total players they have per night at any given time, but traffic is steadily growing.

And fwiw, the 7,000 players I mentioned was total players. Cash, SNG, MTTs, Play money, etc. The numbers you're talking about are cash game only numbers and in my very educated opinion aren't right anyway.

The Sunday $50,000 guarantee had like a $98K prize pool Sunday. Don't remember exactly, so could be off a K or 2.

Didn't pokerscout show 530 players? Sounds accurate to me...

Are you kidding me? You can count the cash game tables and players in MTT lobbies. You don't need to find information on it. It's right there in front of you. You could go count cash game tables and not see anywhere near the numbers you're stating....and that's not taking into account players that are multi-tabling on the cash games.

I call BS all around.

Well, at least I tried to give you a legitimate answer and take your stupidity seriously. Everything I just presented to you is fact, the numbers don't lie. Enjoy your night.

I understand that..but you said 500+ players were in that tournament. Pokerscout shows 530 players.

Seems consistent.

When you figure out that a cash game tracking site has nothing to do with any other part of the poker operation let me know. Until then, enjoy your night.

I thought for a second he had a coherent thought, but I was wrong. He's now a proud member of my 2 deep ignore list. Reported him to the real mods so hopefully someone will be a long to get rid of him for good since I don't think nuts can.

If only people with brains could come along in support of more 10 minute levels because the site does desperately need them in addition to what there is.

Is this actually going to happen?

The last time it was advertised for like 5 months, with loads of satts everyday etc etc. If it's planned to be at the end of February it's less than 2 months left and if you expect it to not have ****loads of overlay you might want to at least mention it more than having it in the lobby with no satellites for it. There isn't even a thread here about it (?)

Maybe the new strategy is to keep it as quiet as possible, so if it ****s up again, there won't be a such an epic fail. But then again, if you run it with half a mill overlay it will still be a pretty epic fail for you guys

So, will this go off as planned or is it likely to get postponed again?

I'm more concerned with the lag. Even during off-peak hours it's lagging, can't imagine what it will be like on the 22nd.

Hey dsl25 you keep saying the lag issues are not WPN fault but the ddos'rs. Well guess what? It doesn't matter. If I can't play on a site because of lag issues regardless of the reason I simply won't play there and I am sure many people feel the same way. If I could I would be playing on WPN right now but I can't and that may not be wpns fault but it is their problem. I am not going to sit at my computer and lose buyins because of it and no one else should have to either.

Yea, and how are the Cashouts on Merge? WPN has the best customer service and cashouts in the industry and with a few tweeks to their schedule they can see a serious increase in traffic here.

Bovada has better cashouts, but i like the sentiment.

No they dont. Also I havent experienced any lag issues.

This.

I sometimes stream ESPN when I'm playing, and I often find that my time-outs happen at the same time that the ESPN stream has trouble. So if WPN says the issue is on my side, that's true to some extent.

I have plenty of bandwidth, but sometimes that bandwidth briefly shrinks or disappears. That's totally normal for home service, and post after post here reflects that.

There's truly nothing WPN can do to prevent these brief fluctuations that users experience. But WPN does have control over how its software reacts to those fluctuations. Often the problem on my side lasts for ten seconds, but I'm timed out of the software until I close and re-open the table, or until I close and re-start the WPN software entirely.

It's like building a glass car and telling customers that the car was not defective, it only shattered because the driver hit a pothole. Yeah, it did shatter because the driver hit a pothole, but it's the manufacturer's job to build a car that can handle potholes.

I like the new schedule. Fish like me can multi-table a bunch of small MTT's

Yes, Bovada has better cash outs and it's not even close. That's not saying WPN's aren't very good too, but they aren't touching Bovada in terms of cash outs, no one in the US is.

Nobody likes the structures on WPN. THAT'S WHY.

The few who do play there, but the majority of MTT players prefer 10-12 minute blinds for small stakes tournaments on weeknights. Who wants to sit around for 10 hours playing for $5,000? Who has the time for that? 15 minute structures are fine when you're playing for $50,000, but WPN is being unrealistic by thinking people will go out of their way to play MTT tournament poker on their network when they're required to spend 30% more TIME for LESS money.

If you perceive MTT poker as a job...WPN is an employer that requires you to work 30% harder for less money. That's the problem with WPN and that's why nobody wants to work (play MTT's) on that network.

West Coast players= tournaments done by 2-3 am

Central Timezone players= tournaments done by 4-5 am

East Coast players=tournaments done at 5-6 am

East Coast and Central players get screwed with WPN's structures. We don't have time to play MTT poker on WPN. West Coast players don't seem to mind WPN's structures as much because they're done playing at a much more reasonable time every night. I honestly suspect if WPN examined their MTT player pool they would see a trend where the majority of their MTT regulars reside on the west coast....where the tournaments finish by 2-3 am.

WPN's tournament structure/business model eliminates 2 time zones from the MTT player pool because of the inconvenience of playing MTT poker on their network from those time zones. BAD FOR BUSINESS.