Gotta say, traffic doesn't seem that much higher than normal. I expected more on a Friday night. I am never going to cash on this leaderboard but I had hoped that it would generate enough games that registering for more than a handful of games and playing them would not be like pulling teeth.

I applaud ACR for doing this but I think that its going to take a long time to really take hold and draw more/enough players to actually achieve the goal they set of healthy # games running from 6-18 max.

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+1 to turbo OD tournies. 2 hour 2 table sngs are beyond obnoxious

I actually think 2 leaderboards would attract more traffic. Unless you're playing midstakes you have no shot. The thought was you could make it up in volume, but you can't.

So now there's 126 spots for $55 and that's $6,930 but there's over 9k in the tournament jackpot and only around 21k in cash jackpot.

giving out those $55 seats is so ****ing stupid, jfc

those seats are the house's rakeback tho

This should be two leaderboards. One volume and another for placing. Volume leaderboard can continue as normal with the midstakers and etc leading and winning, and the Placing leaderboard giving points for your placement in tournaments, regardless of buyin, your actual play/skill level in tourneys.

I am with ya. Variance is smoking me too, as I was putting up solid win #s$$ at my level. But not so far in promo. Also agree DON's are the doucebags of the SNG world.

Keep those PLO's and PLO hi/lo's loading! Nice to mix it up a little TD!

A sort of cashing doubler would be cool.. that correlates with pct paid per prize pool.. like 5x 3x 2x for 1st 2nd and 3rd in a 9man.. something like that..

but honestly.. kinda like UB/AP old system for their SNG contest.

+1 on a better tournament:cash prize ratio (less tournament more cash)

I think WPN will want to keep it as it is for 2 reasons:

1- It is much simpler.
2- It is similar to their cash games Beast promotion.

Does everyone else's lobby take like 45 seconds to refresh when you click on it? It's almost as annoying as when you win a sng both the cash lobby and tournament lobby pop up in the middle of all your games. How can this software be this bad?

I realize that WPN has been very receptive to customer feedback and that major changes like this take a lot of time and effort to implement. I don't expect any quick changes to anything at this point because they will probably want to evaluate over the course of several months what is working and what is not.

However, I spoke over a year ago to one of the higher ups at WPN about what I thought it would take to drive SNG traffic there. This was a discussion that was initiated by them not by me.

It was my opinion then and is still now, that reducing the rake on all formats to something well below the industry standard would get every player in the US market to play there almost immediately.

I see that essentially they have done that by reducing rake by 25% (although arguably it is less since some money goes to reseeding the promo, some gets reraked etc). They have done this in an industry accepted way of creating a leaderboard which also drives people to try to play as much as possible.

However, I still wonder whether simply reducing rakes to 25% below competitors would be a better solution. DoN's and On demand tournaments are terrible. Reducing rake over every game uniformly (with the exception of HU's which are already pretty low and have pretty good traffic) would have a major effect on boosting 6max and 9 max traffic. Once those games are healthy I think the trickle up effect to 18 mans would happen naturally.

Again I am biased since I will never cash this leaderboard. I don't have the time or energy to sit registered for hours just to play hours just to play 5-6 9max turbos. I don't like DoN's and don't care to learn how to play them. I am not going to play a 2h "On demand 18 man" when a proper structure should take 1hr to win and average 40 minutes per game.

Yes I am bitching. But I think if WPN really wants to accomplish the goal of healthy 6-18 man games, they need to reconsider over the course of the next several months whether what they have set up accomplishes these goals and what still needs to be changed.

Best,
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Annnnnd for the 2nd time in an hour the software crashes and causes me to lose half my stack in 6/13 SNG's. Not even going to bother with support because of course they will say it's "my fault" even though it happens to everyone who plays here. No idea why I even wasted my time trying to grind this promotion. GL everyone, I'm over it. Makes tons of sense to put on a promotions when your site works about half the time. That will bring the players in.

Re the ODs..... why do players have to wait an hour for another game to begin registering? I understand that there's late registration allowed, but certainly there are enough multi table players to keep late registration going while a new game is registering.

It seems to me that the site is losing a LOT of games and players for the ODs simply because there's no game registering for such long periods. I'd suggest no more than a 5-10 minute delay from the time an OD game begins active play until the next one begins registration.... but I acknowledge that I am not an experienced OD player and the muckety mucks might think otherwise.

I feel your pain I've experienced at least 1 crash every single day of this promotion if not multiple crashes per day...I don't know how they are going to fix an issue they cannot reproduce (my assumption since they say everything is stable up to 50 tables), but they can offer us a patch of sorts. I'd like for everyone to have ~60 seconds of disconnect protection in the event of a crash that casues them to kill the client process. I should have enough time to reboot my computer and re-open the client and not miss but the tail end of a few hands that way. It's not a solution, but until this mess is under control does anyone have a better idea to saving our money?

Another curiosity.... the $10 ODs drop to half points in the Leaderboard Race after 5 people register in a 12 player game.... but the $7 PLO and 7 PLO8B give full points until 12 and 7 (respectively) players register. The $20 OD goes to half points after 6 people register.

These are all 12 player starting games and they all have different late registration points. Makes no sense to this neanderthal.

.... and I just noticed that the $5 OD (18 players) goes to late registration (half points) after only FOUR players register. It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Nothing on this site works or makes sense. Welcome to WPN.

I fully agree with the 60 second disconnect bank. If you're not going to fix the software at least do that. You should get an AUTO time bank + 60 seconds if you disconnect. It's cost me a lot of money and it's never my fault. Or so support says. I give up trying to play SNGs, it's too expensive when this happens.

this is incorrect although it is confusing and was my first thought upon seeing the lobby as well. if you're seeing this it's because 7 people have registered. that number represents the number of people til the sng starts. everyone who registers before the sng starts get double points, everyone who registers after gets standard

"....that number represents the number of people til the sng starts."

Thanks for the correction!!!

Seems to me the language in the lobby could be a LOT more clear.... how about "The On Demand tournament will move into lage registration after the 12th player registers"

Yea I'm going to be lucky to breakeven because of the issues and I'm shooting for a 5th or 6th place finish in the promo.

whered the od's go?

they don't regenerate till late reg ends