out of curiosity how do you know these people are bots besides the fact that they are russian? you haven't really posted anything definitive

maybe they are just very good at the game and know each other IRL so they don't wish to play each other. the idea of HUSNG cartels isn't exactly a new idea btw

netgod...According to live chat you can play MTT's from the same IP

@zaper
honestly play them draw your own conclusions
i don't need to post any of my data to know this and I have posted some data
I am familar with cartels

@number
incorrect,
if you are seated at same table, one will be kicked off randomly and you will be breaking the rules

@everyone
what does it matter if I post data, it doesn't matter cuz ya know there are strange spots in HUSNG hypers where I would do X lol

if we think we are being unfairly played against
the answer straight from the tops mouth on live stream for all to see is "don't play them"

so DONS and HUSNGS are OUT
what does that leave?

what are we suppose to play that we know is fair?
it wouldn't be as funny to me if the entire fair game play quote never came up

when will the integrity of the game be held to the upmost scrunity to ensure we are in fact playing under fair circumstances?

riddle me that

come play 9mans with us..

mix stakes and u can get 12 goin very quick

that's what that leaves... much tougher for guys to collude

gl

I was told on two different occasions that you can play the same MTT from the same IP. You can't play the same cash game or SNG's but MTT's got the approval. I have even played from the same IP with a friend and we got sat at the table with no issues.

They told me that if we got sat at the same time there was a chance they would do some review or something but our accounts were never shut down and we never heard anything about it. Pretty much they said as long as no actual collusion/chip dump/etc then we would't have anything to worry about.

Now if you've heard differently then so be it, I'm just giving you my experience.

this inquiry was in regards to OSS events

so I guess you are semi correct as well

i ain't chancing any possible outcome that would lead to collusion
been f'ed before hard from some BS

so really you have a player that has in fact worked around the security measures as the system was suppose to auto take one of you off the table at random

just another example of the confusion and lack of security measures truly in place

Sorry for quoting myself but I answered both of those Qs last night in a different thread albeit from a stars and not WPN perspective:

sorry, jorge, but your last sentence is just flat out incorrect

Jorge, NL hasn't been "solved"<> bots are necessarily unprofitable in NL.

If you've got a good case to make for your assertion, I'm interested.

As for the idea that bots can't determine when it is profitable to call a hand that may be a bluff:

Even if that is true, that is no guarantee that the bot would be unprofitable.

But I doubt that a sophisticated bot would be unable to handle bluffs.

Example:

A bot's initial programming could have it 3x raise half of all C-Bets made from late position. After playing thousands of hands, the bot may determine that it is profitable to do this only when (these values are arbitrary) the C-Betting player has a PRF above 15 and a c-bet percentage above 60.

As more hands are played, additional refinements and expansions are possible: What is the impact of the bot's hand strength on profitability? Of the opponent's stack size? Does it matter if the opponent's C-bet number is higher during this session than it has been during previous sessions? Do the stakes matter? What if the bot's raise is 2X? What if the bot floats instead?

Many trials would be needed to reach this level of granularity, but once a statistically significant sample size is reached the bot will have a sophisticated decision tree for handling c-bet bluffs, and it will follow that decision tree perfectly.

In the meantime, by simply re-raising likely C-bet bluffs frequently, the bot would be ahead of most micro-stakes players.

A very similar process could be followed to program the bot to analyze missed-flush river bluffs, checked-down on the flop and turn bluffs, and other common bluffing opportunities.

I should note that although I'm in IT, I'm have no expertise in AI. And I'm a fish. So if I'm incorrect, I look forward to your counterarguments.

Bots make the games tougher by their ability to play without possible fatigue or prone to tilt. They always play their B games and the player behind never have to be at the table which makes it a pretty attractive investment to me. Nonetheless, they are never good for the economy and dry the fishes faster.

You're insane. But the idea that a bot might play differently depending on how much time an opponent takes to act, or the blind levels, is not insane.

I also notice that when I timebank and take almost all the time it tightens up the bots a bit and they fold a lot more to raises. when I act superfast and somewhat aggressive the bots seem to be just as aggressive right back at me. and then of course they shove with Q-3 o and hit some kind of four card 3 high flush....I always try to chat too usually making some comment about Vladimir putin or how Russia is gay lol to see if they respond (thus negating being a bot) but they never respond obv

Again I'm just giving you my experience and am not making any recommendation but when my friend and I played in the same MTT from the same IP we DID get sat at the same table and experienced no problems.

We were just messing around having fun playing some small on demands but I agree with you in that I probably wouldn't risk it when playing OSS events.

If it works you wouldn't share it on a forum but rather start printing money against them. Not saying that I disagree with your theory though, bots gonna bots imo.

Not sure how accurate that is but hey whatever works for sure

I played 2 HU $11 turbos today vs some russian and my god it was weird. I kept getting weird vibes from his play and I figured that it almost sure is one of the bots.

I lost both games though and the 2nd game I played again just because i thought I could beat it but it sucked out 2x all in preflop after like a 30 minute game and the blinds got to 50/100. (the first game i lost b/c i ran into aa and lost about half my stack)

Something was just 'off' about the other player. The timing, the bet sizing, everything just screamed probably not a person. And the scary part is that I am pretty sure it's good enough to beat fish all day every day and keep stealing money from the poker ecosystem.

Nope there is several new Russians of late

Well, if the bots only play hypers then I guess I am wrong and it was just a strange player from russia.

highly likely they are bots then. Russians gonna russian

Seriously. I bet in russia, a person would be made fun of for trying to play poker for real instead using a bot. They would be like 'look at the dumb idiot trying to play the Americans straight up instead of using our superior mother russia technology'

whats the thought process with a decline match button, I just get to sit all the 1200 lobbies after playing 10-20 different regs? sure sounds good to me

a better option would be to get rid of the bots right

You need to work for wpn

If they don't want to do anything at least we would have an option to not

I have been playing at my personal optimal times and having better success vs them of late

I like that oppy plays 36 now ran it up in dat arse a Lil yesterday
Later I am getting past the tip and clinching cheeks to go balls deep

If wpn were smart they would do a heads up battle of the countries

Team USA would prevail