First, I'd like to say donks are gonna donk and this is probably just donks being donks... but it wouldn't hurt for WPN to check it out. Is there somewhere I can send this?

so where is the collusion hand?

The only collusion I see is you dumping chips with QQ to the guy with AA.

how do you collude in a 3 way all in? poker is dead.

The hand was well played by villain if legit... and as I said in OP it probably IS legit. I made a similar play against someone today... I'm not some riggie and am winning. I totally admit it's a 95% chance there is absolutely nothing going on here.

My point is that it warrants a quick once over by WPN (i.e. make sure they aren't on the same IP or same geolocation if that can even be checked...) due to the fact it would be a great spot to collude if they are playing as a team. I showed strength by squeezing and it doesn't make sense from my perspective for the "fish" who shoved his short stack with J7s to have anything as good as QQ very often, as well as the regular since he only flatted, thus inducing my shove...

fold pre

That is fair enough, but I will counter that by saying the shove by the CO was a good play that ran into AA and QQ. He probably thought you were squeezing light and try to take it down pre flop. I dont think there is anything close to fishiness going on, but I guess it wouldnt hurt to check

? The SB shoved his short stack with J7s after he clearly had no fold equity... then I re-shoved with QQ because I knew I was probably ahead of both of their ranges and CO (the original raiser) was likely to have AK, AQ, JJ-TT types of hands and call off.

Im not going to get into strategy with you here, especially after that comment, I will just say tough spot. Get 'em next time

I didn't mean to... just was correcting the part where you said CO shoved. I shoved from the BB after SB (fish) shoved. I totally understand there are several different reasons why someone would flat AA there... but in combination with the J7s shove it just seemed slightly suspicious

That was what I meant, the SB shove was legit, he just ran into 2 real hands

Pretty sure you're just messing with me now... Clearly at least one person is going to call for another $13

Are you really surprised someone playing a short stack at 50nl got it in pre with J7s? It's probably his lucky hand

No I am not surprised at all, I've played at least 2 million hands... seen a lot of dumb plays and even made my fair share of dumb plays. That's why I said... 95% chance nothing fishy is going on here.

I just noticed while playing this hand that if two people were going to collude together in a cash game, it might look something like this - so it probably would be a good idea to take a look at their IPs just to be on the safe side.

They didn't do anything to the DON players when there was obvious collusion. It makes me think that they likely wont do anything here. Then again this was just a fish making a dumb shove and calling it collusion is a major stretch.

LOL aa getting it all in is collusion? Other guy just decided to gamble

I said that it was POSSIBLY collusion... due to the way the hand played out, but probably not.

I realize that the other (J7s) guy was probably (as in 95% chance) just an idiot... but IF two people were colluding together to induce me to shove then this is probably how the hand would play out.

You're never going to prove collusion on a single hand. Any moron can shove a single hand.

If you were a police officer and saw two people walking down the sidewalk in a rough area and one hands the other a backpack, you'd probably conclude that it's probably nothing but is suspicious enough to check in to the situation.

That's pretty much the standpoint I view this hand from... and I think it's worth cross checking an IP assuming there is an easy way to do so.

OMG you can't be serious? You're comparing collusion to search and seizure laws? Any good lawyer would have a field day with the example you provided above. Handing off a back pack is not enough suspicion to search someone just like the hand you provided isn't enough to suspect collusion.

How about you provide some evidence that this is actually collusion. Numerous people have told you "donks gonna donk" and you keep saying "95% chance it's legit but....". WHERE IS THE 5% CHANCE OF COLLUSION?!?!?!?! Some short stack donkey shoved J7s!!!!! OMG IT MUST BE COLLUSION!!!!!!

Sorry your QQ lost to AA but it's no reason to make a thread suggesting collusion.

Reynolds wrap or store brand?

It was just an analogy obviously there are legal issues with the example. The point was, if you don't check it out you can't catch someone... in this case there is literally no downside to checking the IP other than a few minutes time

The way the hand played it looks like the way two players colluding would play the hand. Is that what happened? Very probably not and I've already admitted that over and over. I was the one who said donks are gonna donk btw... In the first post. I was already expecting these kind of replies which is WHY I put that in the first post.

That doesn't mean its not worth looking in to... because if you don't check it out you could be overlooking something.

edit: I could care less that my QQ lost by the way, obviously that sucks, but that was not the point of the thread... If I made a thread everytime my big pair was cracked I would have been banned by now... while not unheard of for fish to shove random crap the hand just stood out as being odd to me

And yes I think the thread has run it's course please close mods

AA cracked at 50nl has to be collusion imo

Hey OP.....if I were going to run a sophisticated short stacking $50nl colluding ring I probably would at least use different IP's and would probably actually collude in a spot that might be collusion.

You have yet to state how this could be collusion other than you're 95% sure it's not collusion. Can you please tell me how this is collusion? Like what did they do to collude?

Just to be safe, every time someone with a weak hand commits a large number of chips, we should start a new thread. Just think of how very safe we will be then.

One time i shoved with AA for 200 bb's and guy with KK called like he knew the K was coming.
so rigged