What are you talking about? All of the tournaments you just mentioned have nothing to do with the 2R/A we were discussing. Plus, you just proved my point by displaying how lower buy in tournaments way less than 3 figure buy ins will more easily hit GT's...So, thank you for proving my point there...

TD just said the 2R/A didn't hit the GT. So, clearly they are having a problem hitting guarantees, or the guy who works for the company wouldn't have said that. And, how many Milly's have hit the GT? Um, none last time I checked. That's definitely a probelm hitting GT's when they've hosted half a dozen Milly's and have yet to hit one single GT. Plus, there a is freagin thread at the top of the forum discussing the cancelation of a $35k PLO because of a significant overlay.

You understand that part of a tournament structure is the size of the guaranteed prize pool, don't you? So, TD never did use my structure as I suggested a $20k...not a $7.5k...not a $3k....$20,000. On top of that I always admitted that it would overlay at first. We veterans from the pre-Black Friday days have been so jaded by weak offerrings that don't reflect our options in 2009-2010 that it's gonna take some time for us to realize that those options are slowly being made available to us again.

One of the tourneys I mentioned was the 109, that's 3 figure (not sure if you realize that). If you'd like, I could mention the 2 215 NLH on Sundays. The 50K is normally over 60 now, and this past Sunday the 115 was somewhere around 160. That's crushing a guarantee.



In the new schedule the only thing struggling to cover is the structure you suggested. Phil has said repeatedly that he does not expect the millys to cover, and that the overlay is a marketing expense because of the exposure it brings the site. They know the milly won't cover, but it benefits them to run it.

What the tourneys I mentioned all have in common with your rebuy is probably the most important thing. They share the same player pool. There are not enough players on the site to cover the guarantee you suggest. If they doubled their player pool they could not cover it.

And the $55 10K just closed registration at $14,650. As someone who plays on the site (unlike you) I'm pretty damned happy with that.

The prize pool is a part of the structure and my structure was NEVER implemented. I'm not going to waste time explaining this again.

400 players sticking in 5 buy ins would hit $20k...there are definitely 400 MTT players on the site and every single one of them would play a $20k 2R/A.

What numbers are you referring to? The numbers I just presented here are definitely plausible. Especailly, when pre-Black Friday players catch wind of the tournament existing. Which, I suspect most of you are not.

Your numbers aren't plausible, but if it makes you happy to think they are, keep believing that. I'm not going to argue the point anymore.

How much online poker did you play pre-Black Friday?

Funny thing is....WPN has already hosted a $11 buy in $20k GT. Winning TD can confirm this fact. I can tell most of you aren't aware of it. This is the entire reason I'm requesting that this tournament be posted....it already has guys.

The crazy thing about it was that it was hosted on a MONDAY AFTERNOON DURING THE SUMMER (slowest months of the year) and it overlayed by about $9k. If this tournament is overlaying by only $9k on a slow Monday during the lowest traffic time period, what would it do on a busy Sunday?

Given the results of this tournament last summer...it's safe to assume that posting an $11 buy in $20k GT on a Sunday during peak hours likely wouldn't overlay more than a few grand MAX the first couple weeks and would likely crush the GT soon after once more players catch wind of its existance.

Does it make any sense to anyone here that TD posted a $20k GT $11 buy in MTT on a Monday last summer, yet never once tried it on a Sunday during peak hours? I would like TD to explain the logic behind the decision to host an $11 buy in $20k GT on a slow Monday last summer when it was guaranteed to fail, but refused to host it during peak hours on Sunday when it had a chance to succeed.

i already have a 25k and a 50k 5 hr lr on sundays....

Leaky as much as i think some of your points are correct. I may not be a great TD or whatever.. However, i promise you i know what we can achieve and cant achieve and what does well and what doesnt. Just take my word for it.

If you know what you can achieve, then why did you post an $11 buy in $20K GT on a Monday during slow hours last summer? I wouldn't be here requesting an $11 buy in $20K GT if you didn't already post one on a Monday that failed miserably.

And, why would that matter if you have a $25K and $50K on Sundays? I don't follow. Good online poker sites have more than 2 tournaments on Sunday. That's kind of the entire point of playing online poker over live...the ability to multi-table. Why would you deliberately eliminate this crucial appealing aspect of online poker by only hosting 2 tournaments on Sunday and refusing to post more?

You should have a dozen tournaments on Sunday over $10K. Why you don't is a mystery to us all.

P.S. You're not a bad tournament director at all. The fact that you're here communicating with us makes you a great TD, imo.

Seriously just think about what you posted here.

Thought about it.

What's your point?

If it overlays by $9K on Monday when HALF the players are logged on, what will it do on Sunday when twice as many players are logged on? I know it's a real head scratcher....

Simple logic tells you it will hit the $20K easily on Sunday. That's according to documented numbers...not random skepticism based on nothing.

I was thinking about playing the Extreme Tuesday $20k. Then I looked at the structure.

There are 3 levels between 300/600 and 400/800. Just why?!?

5hr late reg that's why. After the reg period is over the blinds starting making decent jumps.

Why isn't there satelites to the 300k 300$ buyin this weekend?

Its the only way you have 5k ut during week days.

TD, iam very happy to see the 26k prize pool. As you know it was my personal fight to have a 33$ 20k gtd 5h late reg at week days.

Btw, the structure of the 3x turbo rebuy need to be fixed.

It's next weekend, April 17th like the banner on this site says. Lol I'm sure they will have some when we get closer.

I misread what you posted. But I also think in general a lot of your ideas are overly optimistic.

I really like that you changed the late night $11 buy-in $1.5k GTD back to a 5k starting stack, and left the $5 buy-in $1k GTD as a 2.5k starting stack. Good balance. Good work!

LOL i just late regd thinking the $11 1.5k was back to 5k starting stack but its now 2.5k WTF make up your mind TD thats kind of bs

So good work on all the changes.

Looks like the change to the 3.3 and the 6.6 is failing though. For some reason the 6.6 is still doing the add on at the end of level 8 instead of level 9. But it looks like they are about half of what they were before the change in structure.

I would like to hypothesize that it is the end end of late reg time that might be the problem though. I don't usually get home from work to buy in these things from the start so I usually late reg last second and r/a all with 1 min left. And it seems like lots of people do this. For however long these have been running this meant the 3.3 at 7:10 and the 6.6 at 8:10 was the time I was regging and so were others.

Before switching the tournament back to the old structure would you be up to moving them both back by 30 minutes. This would put it back to 7:10 and 8:10 and we could see if that fixes the problem.

Overall though the 6.6 addon really needs to be fixed. It's happening before the end of late reg.

please change the 109 at 8 EST to a faster structure.....The tournament runs till 4-5 AM EST which obviously is too late for anyone that works in the US....if levels were reduced to 12 min + moved the tournament up 30 min it would be a major improvement imo.

anyone else just constantly get it in good on this site and lose? or just me?

I know overlays are good for players, but the "newbie" tournys have not reached 1 guarantee since they started running. That cant be healthy for WPN.

I will confess i have been trying to get them removed for a long time.. very very soon they will be gone.. Dont worry about our health FWIW... Although they dont really bring anything they wont send us broke ...

Although it may be interesting for you guys to hear that we have overlayed over 60k alone in those tournaments so that is alot of money back in the economy for i would imagine very many recreational players.

I don't like that virtually all tournaments are re-entries. While I realize the site likes to enhance the number of buy-ins for each tournament, and be able to post guarantees as large as possible, the almost singular use of the re-entry format makes the tournies tougher for recreational players, and changes strategies during the re-entry period.

How about mixing in a few more freeze outs without re-entry?

I can do freezeouts just can have a guarantee for more than 40 players. It just doesnt work.. It does work at the micros..

This day and age, re entries long late reg is needed for big GTD's. I wish i could be stars but im just not.