Bovada has the 2nd best tournament schedule in the entire world.

Right, and that schedule is the newborn baby sister of Pokerstars.

You understand that site chooses not to be bigger, don't you? That's not a product of the market. If Bovada wanted to double their nightly guarantees they could. They could run their Mad Monday series 7 days a week easily.

They choose not to be bigger because their upper management is afraid of negative attention from the US government. It's common knowledge that Bovada is doing everything they possibly can not to grow their poker business.

You have one thing going for sure - traffic has grown. The $30 10k was over 17k last night. The Sunday schedule has the biggest guarantees for us players and now you have the biggest Saturday tourney.

Would I like to see more things added faster? Absolutely. But I appreciate your engagement here and I think most of us are realistic about what can be done on the schedule.

I do think an 11r could meet a 10k guarantee. 6 would not come close, but I think an 11 could. If you don't feel comfortable doing an 11, make it a 15. That would hit the guarantee with 200 players. You will hit that guarantee.

And I also agree that there needs to be a schedule of smaller buy ins that feeds players to higher buy ins. I think the new $11 was a good start, again I will ask, please add a $22 5k, another $11 of some type, and switch the big 10 33 to this new structure.

Hell yea. Nice to hear the $10K hit $17K. I'll bet Bovada's software issues are helping this out. That's why you should realize that you need to capitalize on the problems that Bovada is having, TD. I'm to the point where I won't play on Bovada right now because of their software problems. I don't care what tournaments are on their schedule right now...kinda the big reason I'm here complaining so much. I would prefer for WPN to be my permanent home and I know a lot of Bovada players feel the same. We just need the schedule.

Basically, WPN's software literally became more reliable overnight during Bovada's recent update a month ago, TD. This is a game changer. Your site has previously been known for having inferior software, but now it's performing more efficiently. That's going to increase business and already probably has...

I would expect a $10K $10 rebuy to hit something in the range of $15-20K given those numbers.

Trying to be realistic. Right now it looks like your rebuys average 3 buy ins per entry. Some will argue that with a different structure that would increase, but let's stick with those number for a starting point for a schedule.

TD - how about doing these for rebuys (assume 250 entries x3 each, on the 6 assume a higher guarantee and some kind of promo gets more people to play them. And please look at the late structure there. 2 tables left and the 6r has an avg stack of like 12bb now.)

15 r 10k guarantee

11r 7500 guarantee

6r 5000 guarantee

That would give you two 10ks a night that appeal to rec players, and with the big 10 tourneys (tweaking the structure on the later ones) would make a pretty decent nightly schedule.

I understand both sides. One things for sure is at some point they are going to have to take a chance and put out something new for a daily schedule. The 20k 30 on Saturdays is at least a start in the right direction. Same with the 50k 50 on Sundays. Still nothing consistent and unique during the week to peak any real interest to grind. The payout adjustment is also a good sign. It might be moving at a snails pace but at least we got somethings going....

I agree they need to get something up there, and I think they should try to do it when the Freebuy starts, not after. Have enticing tourneys to play in the lobby when there are eyeballs looking at the lobby. Don't count on them coming back afterwards to find them.

Ok off topic a little.

Just to let you know i am adding some guarantees to 5 of the freezeouts. They are nothing huge but would like to see if it changes things. Also with some sats.

The $100 freezeout turbo megastack super KO – make it $1500 GTD (11.10pm)

$60 PLO8 Freezeout KO 6 max - $1000 GTD (6.35pm)

$30 Freezeout KO - $750 GTD (1.15am)

$5 Freezeout 4-max - $250 GTD (9.15am)

$8 Freezeout 8-max - $200 GTD (6.20pm)


Starting from Sunday


Also i am just about to do a schedule for when we have downtime the next day. This will be to test things and to make sure all tournaments are finished before 3am ET.

It will be good and i will def test lets say a $10 R/A - start with $5k GTD not sure maybe 7.5k. (7.05pm ET)
You also have to remember i do need approval most of the times with the things i want to do.

can you guys add something earlier on sundays? maybe a 12-1pm 109 warmup?

I will be very honest and say for Sundays. As things stand i wont be doing anything.

Once i have (yes i know its been taking ages) got round to finally completing the new schedule then we can look at Sundays.

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Sundays seem fine. A warmup if you will would be cool but we don't absolutely need it. The 30 mega to the 115 runs way to long. The bubble stalling glitch and 15 min blinds I believe. Regardless, **** yeah a daily 10r 7.5k is great if it happens.

Oh and what Freshthyme said. Specifically the 8 PM- $44 $10K 10K/10 Mins.

I like this but you would probably have to cut the guarantees in half.

The average entry in the rebuys is in for 3 buy ins.

That's 222 entries for the 15, 250 for the 11, and 277 for the 6.

There are 381 unique entries in the 30 10K tonight. A lot of them are not playing anything else. The 6r 2K has 168 entrants. Probably 90% of those people are in the 10K, but the 200+ from the 10K who are not in the 6r don't bother because the guarantee is 2K. It will be close for a 5K guarantee, but given the players who are on the site and are not playing anything else, I think a 5K guarantee is enticing enough that it would cover.

For the 11 and the 15, I think there is zero chance those would overlay. The players are there, they just don't see enough tourneys they want to play.

Jesus Christ

Sunday's aren't too bad on WPN. To totally disregard and not touch with a 90ft pole is a little silly. I think a Sunday low stakes rebuy would be cool. 10r 10k. And maybe some sort of warmup gimmick. 50 10k super ko or something.

TD how are you evaluated on your performance at WPN serious question because for the life of me I have no ****ing idea how you keep your job.

Like he said...he has a boss and his boss makes the decision. It's not really up to him.

You should give the guy a break. He has managed to get some good tournaments up. That $30 buy in $20K GTD on Saturday is nice.

He said he'd be leaving Sundays alone until the nightly schedule was done, which is reasonable. Sundays are fairly good already, though could also use tweaks. The nightly schedule is awful, so I'm glad he is focusing on that.

Guys don't blame TD. The WPN CEO is that kind of rich guy who believes his beliefs are universal trues when in fact he has no idea how to manage a poker business.

Leaky, what you are asking seems to make sense but in fact would sound you as joke if you had the numbers, believe me.

You guys should add some more early tournaments on Saturday's around the 20k. I think an early Saturday schedule is actually a great idea. I for 1 don't like playing on Saturday nights. People like to have a social life. Even back in my hard grinding days pre black Friday all Saturdays were an early grind session then go out later or rest for Sundays grind. There always used to be a decent early Saturday schedule from the beginning of online poker.

From noon est - 4 est should be a handful of decent or unique tournaments. Maybe a sh midstakes with a guarantee or something.

Or some gimmick like make 5 different $30 buyins starting at 11am. A 6 max, a KO, an 8 max turbo, the 30 20k, and an ante up or something weird. The $30 weekend kickoff series or some crap who cares. Stuff like this gets a buzz going.

I mean i'm looking now and i'm not even sure if I will play the 20k today. There is nothing else worth playing until the normal schedule starts and even that isn't interesting since you take out the $30 10k and the nightly 109 is dropped to a 10k. As a matter of fact I dont even see it up in the lobby today. There's a 50 ko thats added with a monster 4k guarantee. At least you kept the 30 1200 guarantee on the schedule. LOL

I hadn't looked yet to see if there was anything added around the 20k today as TD said he would. I guess I'll be skipping it. If there is nothing else of value I'll just do what I had been doing other than last week when the 20k was added - not even consider playing online on Saturday. It's a great addition, but I'm not going to give up my Saturday for just one tourney. If nothing is added around it, I doubt it covers the guarantee much longer and will be gone within a month or two. Then we will hear 'we tried it and Saturday traffic just doesn't support it' when in reality it was doomed to fail because nobody cares about one decent tourney when there is nothing else.

$20K GTD $10 Buy in 2R/A=400 players averaging 5 buy ins to hit $20K

$10K GTD=400 players averaging 3 buy ins to hit $10k

Those are the numbers needed to hit the guarantees and they are very easy to hit with the proper structure...1,500 starting chips, 10 minute blinds, double rebuys, add ons, etc.

Rebuys generate the biggest prize pool. It's a mathematical fact and it isn't open for debate.