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Player Feedback for NEW MTT schedule 2016!! Player Feedback for NEW MTT schedule 2016!!

01-19-2016 , 02:40 PM
Here at Americas Cardroom, feedback from our players is a top priority. That’s why this Wednesday at 4pm ET, CEO Phil and Tournament Director Dan will have a live stream on our official Twitch.tv channel to discuss changes to the MTT schedule.

We want your opinion on our MTT schedule so we can modify to your liking, so tune in and let your voice be heard. And make sure to be on the lookout for future Twitch sessions where we’ll discuss new software features, promotions and more.

http://www.twitch.tv/americascardroom/
01-19-2016 , 05:31 PM
Wow <3 that is amazing thank you WPN for offering this. I get home 1 hour after it starts though... How long will it run for? Can we submit any ideas before hand? I do think this is awesome however it is very short notice and on a random Wednesday so many regs/players will miss it. I think it deserves its own thread!

Last edited by Longstructures; 01-19-2016 at 05:37 PM.
01-20-2016 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodOlKevin
this site desperately needs more nightly EST tournaments worth playing. The 10 EST and 11EST get good turnouts for 1 and 1.5k get some turbos in Jesus.
Yeah +1 this. I play from Thailand and I'm looking for more action around this time which is when I wake up.
01-20-2016 , 03:44 AM
While traditionally long structures should favor better players, I don't think that out trumps the need for recreational players to have games worth playing in. I don't think recreational players want to play in extremely long tournaments with long periods of re entry.

However i know recs like to not feel like they are in crap shots. A good example of this is how the Monster Stack is the biggest non re entry tourney during WSOP circuits. I think finding the middle ground is gonna be best for both sides. If its best for both sides it probably will end up being best for the site.

What I would propose doing is for normal tourneys we can make the first 10-15 levels 12 minutes levels and then increase the levels to 15 minutes after a certain point.

By doing this we could cut down the late reg time and still get about the same amount of people that re enter. Cutting down the late reg / reenter time would provide a few less re entries do to coolers but for the most part people will be short stacked if they don't chip up.
01-20-2016 , 04:21 AM
Good post and I agree 100%, but wpn will never cut late reg times as they need every last second of re entry to maximize rake and avoid overlays. It just is not going to happen so I have focused my attention on attempting to add some new and exciting tournaments.
01-20-2016 , 04:49 PM
Here at Americas Cardroom, feedback from our players is a top priority. That’s why today at 4pm ET, CEO Phil and Tournament Director Dan will have a live stream on our official Twitch.tv channel to discuss changes to the MTT schedule.

http://www.twitch.tv/americascardroom/
01-20-2016 , 09:22 PM
hmmmmph
01-20-2016 , 09:47 PM
So make drastic changes to prove the players wrong and stick with the same boring schedule? Throw in a random early $25 3k guarantee or something I mean yawn. And nothing about payout structures. welp....
01-20-2016 , 09:55 PM
Cliff notes on what was discussed today?
01-20-2016 , 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodOlKevin
Cliff notes on what was discussed today?
They asked people on twitch to make suggestions instead of having a new schedule ready. It seems this thread and others would be a better place to get suggestions.

That was painful to watch.
01-20-2016 , 11:58 PM
Oh so a whole lot of nothing
01-21-2016 , 12:00 AM
Long time lurker, had to come say how disappointed I am that they didn't take any of the suggestions 2+2 made. It isn't this hard to make a schedule, ffs.
01-21-2016 , 12:01 AM
Is a link of this stream up anywhere
01-21-2016 , 12:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CallYouWin
They asked people on twitch to make suggestions instead of having a new schedule ready. It seems this thread and others would be a better place to get suggestions.

That was painful to watch.
+1 i couldnt stomach it had to turn it off.

Winning td can you care to comment on how none of our suggestions are being used in the new scheduale? That stream was an embarassment and a huge slap in the face to the players who have been providing you feedback for the last month+ attempting to create a better schedule, which is still not even ready or in the client yet. Im at a loss for words..

Delete thread imo its a waste of time. Please follow the 888 rep and stars reps on how to run a thread like this/listen to players and actually change things. It takes months for any action plan, unreal.

So when is this "new schedule" coming.
01-21-2016 , 10:34 AM
In case you missed it, we've got you covered! Visit our blog to check out yesterday’s Twitch stream discussion with WPN CEO Phil Nagy regarding improvements to the tourney schedule.
01-21-2016 , 02:55 PM
Longstructures. Nice comment.

This was just a draft and we initially came on twitch to discuss the schedule. You seem to find many comments like, just copy Bovada.

You think its so easy, just add this, this and this. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. I actually have a document with every suggestion from this thread that i think is a good tournament.

I will edit the new schedule and add supposedly what people want the 1 HR LR freezeouts.

Lets see if that drives players then we can go from there.
01-21-2016 , 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Longstructures. Nice comment.

This was just a draft and we initially came on twitch to discuss the schedule. You seem to find many comments like, just copy Bovada.

You think its so easy, just add this, this and this. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. I actually have a document with every suggestion from this thread that i think is a good tournament.

I will edit the new schedule and add supposedly what people want the 1 HR LR freezeouts.

Lets see if that drives players then we can go from there.
01-21-2016 , 04:56 PM
I probably came off harsh in my last post, I apologize. Regardless, I want to say its shows a lot that you guys are taking feedback from your player (customer) pool and trying to make positive changes. That said, I don't think after watching the twitch feed that both sides are completely on the same page. Being a professional for over 14 years, I know poker players love to bitch about everything so its hard to make everyone happy. However, I dont think you really addressed anything.
Adding 2 mtts an hour with 1 hr late reg and a meh and will probably fail. It sounded like that's what you wanted. I think adding only a few tourney's worth playing would be a better approach. I know you hate hearing it but look at bovada. They have a variety of payout structures as well as structures in general throughout the day. I would love to see 2 early tournaments around 1est-3est added to the schedule. Move that 30+3 at 8pm to this slot and add a $40 ko turbo into the 8pm slot. Perfect!
Bovada has an early 30+3 5k that always has value and get a decent prize pool and follows it up with a 20+2 4k a few hours later. It works for them. Compete with them!. Don't be afraid.
You mentioned you need the obnoxious late reg because players want big prize pools. Look at our Sunday million and how successful it was. Now that's what people want. Well, where are those players. They came in for 1 tourney worth playing and didn't deposit again or cashed out because the regular schedule isn't worth grinding. You may of leveled yourself bragging about that. Anyways I hope things work out.
01-21-2016 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winning_TD
I actually have a document with every suggestion from this thread that i think is a good tournament.
Please tell me the "Thousandaire Maker" is one of those

I don't really have a ton of suggestions cuz I don't have experience in making tournament schedules, but I can tell you that I do want some more medium 20-40 dollar MTTs with 12 minute levels and 2 hour late reg, but I also enjoy the structures WPN has and don't care much for 1 hour late reg/10 minute levels. I figure if I wanna play a turbo they're available. And good god fix the strucures, we shouldn't be seeing MTTs that occasionally pay of 25% of the field, 20% should really be the max.

I can also say I want at least ONE decent stakes PLO8 MTT daily, something around 40-75 dollars. Right now the biggest we have is the 15+1.50. If not daily, at least put a decent one on Sunday or Saturday.

Last edited by Boney526; 01-21-2016 at 05:31 PM. Reason: BTW obviously 1 hour late reg frezeouts will fail but at least you can prove it this time lol
01-21-2016 , 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Longstructures. Nice comment.

This was just a draft and we initially came on twitch to discuss the schedule. You seem to find many comments like, just copy Bovada.

You think its so easy, just add this, this and this. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. I actually have a document with every suggestion from this thread that i think is a good tournament.

I will edit the new schedule and add supposedly what people want the 1 HR LR freezeouts.

Lets see if that drives players then we can go from there.
I sincerely apoligize and regret my post. I was unaware of how much work you are putting into this and taking it very seriously to make it perfect. I do not think it is easy as you said but I understand why you feel I think like that due to the tone of my posts.

I just wanted to apoligize to you and hope you keep up the good work. The stream really threw me off to what the plans were at WPN. I am eager to hear what you have in store for us and want to thank you personally for putting in the work. I can't imagine how it must feel to be working hard on something only to have players think that you are slacking/don't care.

You are right. Thanks.

Last edited by Longstructures; 01-21-2016 at 06:41 PM. Reason: feel free to delete my negative post as it is useless clutter
01-21-2016 , 06:53 PM
FWIW, the stream wasn't very well explained. I was expecting them to present some significant changes along with ask for what the people want.
01-21-2016 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Longstructures. Nice comment.

This was just a draft and we initially came on twitch to discuss the schedule. You seem to find many comments like, just copy Bovada.

You think its so easy, just add this, this and this. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. I actually have a document with every suggestion from this thread that i think is a good tournament.

I will edit the new schedule and add supposedly what people want the 1 HR LR freezeouts.

Lets see if that drives players then we can go from there.
Just out of curiosity, why isn't it that easy or why doesn't it work like that? I'm genuinely not trying to be a wise ass either. In the twitch you seemed to make adjustments on screen rather easy.
01-21-2016 , 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfiiue4
Just out of curiosity, why isn't it that easy or why doesn't it work like that? I'm genuinely not trying to be a wise ass either. In the twitch you seemed to make adjustments on screen rather easy.
Because making random adjustments is not productive? Because making changes that will have positive results on growth, profitability, etc. takes work and consideration. Because there's many things to consider, and often people say "I want this" but don't show up to play even when it's implemented.

That's just what I came up with in like 15 seconds so I'm sure someone could come up with a list of like 100 reasons it's not as easy as was implied.
01-22-2016 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boney526
Because making random adjustments is not productive? Because making changes that will have positive results on growth, profitability, etc. takes work and consideration. Because there's many things to consider, and often people say "I want this" but don't show up to play even when it's implemented.

That's just what I came up with in like 15 seconds so I'm sure someone could come up with a list of like 100 reasons it's not as easy as was implied.
I watched the live stream after the fact so couldn't make any suggestions, but when people said Merge and Bovada had a better schedule they had no idea why. I'd suggest looking at their schedules and taking a few things from them in regards to tournament buy ins and start times.

One thing Bovada does really well is balance the schedule so no matter if you play $11 MTTs or $109 MTTs you have plenty to play all day long.
01-22-2016 , 11:57 AM
I'd also suggest adding a nightly $5.50 with maybe a $2K prize pool, $11 with $5K (both Merge and Bovada have one that is much bigger), a $22 $5K, and making the $28+$2 $10K a $30+3 and making it $15K. If you added those to the already pretty good mid/high schedule people would be happy. Maybe add these to the 6-8 time slot and then add similar tournaments to the 9-11 time slot to appease the west coast.

      
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